Instead of a court-martial, Bergdahl may get a payday instead

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    I don't mind so much, I guess, that he's being useful, to whatever extent such a useless soldier can be. But paying him $200,000 in back pay and $15,000 in POW pay?? You've got to be kidding me!!

    This clown is at the very least a deserter. His own squad confirms that, but last I heard, the Army wasn't interviewing them. And he may be a traitor, which means he should have a reservation up the road from me in Ft. Leavenworth, not get paid for being a screw-up.
     
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    Agreed.....

    What is going on? Everything seems to be way out of wack! The guy deserves a trial, not a pay check! After all, UCMJ strips on of rank and pay, and I don't believe they are given their pay while waiting trial!

    More importantly, all of the men in his unit have not been contacted. This is as insane as the children coming over the border!

    Are we in a state of anarchy, or quickly approaching it? :BangHead::BangHead:
     
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    I wasn't aware he had been convicted of anything. Is he even under arrest?
     
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  4. Bro. James

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    The facts of this case seem muddled by the grand jury of speculation, we have a lot of it right here on this board.

    We have a rule: Innocent until proven otherwise. i.e. Due process.

    One possible answer: the man's psychological profile may have been disqualification for combat duty--maybe even enlistment. In that event, the system messed up. Maybe the man never should have been in a line unit from the gitgo. There are probably other 4-Fs in the system.

    Now what?

    Administrative hold-- Board of Inquiry--do the right thing or cover-up. Sounds like there may be some serious finger pointing going on. This is not unusual for the largest bureaucratic systems in the world.

    Meanwhile: no promotions or back pay.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    That is PRESUMED Innocent until proven guilty
     
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    We have a government that id dedicated to obfuscation, lies and deception. They wanted Gitmo closed, so they released the five most dangerous occupants of it, and used Bergdahl as a pawn in a scheme designed to look like a "fair prisoner exchange." I've posted on here the character of the five terrorists who were the political and military heads of the Taliban, so there's no need to go into that.

    I can tell you from my military background that the men who are on the front lines of any war need to know who they can trust, and they did not trust Beau Bergdahl. He was a bad actor from his first day of duty with the unit. He deserted. There are countless witnesses to that fact. Additionally, there is recorded radio traffic indicating he contacted Afghan civilians and sought to meet up with Taliban forces within three days of his desertion.

    All this is established fact. Official military records provide the evidence this is all true. Yet Berghahl's squad members have not been interviewed by the military in anticipation of the assumed court-martial, and it is obvious from his freedom of movement and reassignment to desk duty that the military is under orders from their commander-in-chief to sweep his dirt under the rug and ignore the fact that he is at best a deserter and at worst a traitor.

    Technically, the answers to your questions are both "No." Factually, this is a travesty of justice in which five extremely dangerous terrorists were released for a deserter/traitor for the sole purpose of Obama doing whatever he wants whenever he wants while a milquetoast Congress that has abandoned its Constitutional duties sits by idly, other than for the left side of the aisle to make excuses while actually doing nothing at all, while the right side of the aisle hems, haws, threatens yet another useless committee hearing, and also does nothing.

    The Bergdahl case is prime example of the usurpation of power by this president from all venues of the federal government that would normally provide the checks and balances preventing dictatorship. We are so very close to having one right now, and no one seems to know it, or care.
     
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    What effect does the word presumed have on the the word innocent. We seem to be headed for: quilty until proven innocent.

    There has been no statement of charges as far as I know.

    Now what?

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
     
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    That is interesting?

    On the comic op you are judging many on the board, and here you make a stand not to judge Bergdahl....very strange how you can flip on board brothers and stand for a man that looks so chummy with his captors .....

    Maybe you live by two standards after all???
     
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    My question is this, then, Curtis. What are we to think if the Army appears unwilling to take the evidence to court? There are numerous indications of his actual collaboration with the Taliban. (Note: I can't link all the articles below because the forum seems to have enacted a three-link limit per post.)
    • Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow recounted that days after Bergdahl vanished from the U.S. base, there were reports that he was in a nearby village looking for someone who spoke English, so that he could establish communications with the Taliban. Soon afterward, Buetow recalled, “IEDs started going off directly under the trucks. They were getting perfect hits every time. Their ambushes were very calculated, very methodical.”
    • Fox News, on June 2 under the headline "Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl’s conduct," reported that Bergdahl “both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of ‘a major classified file.’ In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.”
    • Just days before he left his unit, Bergdahl wrote to his father in somewhat less than patriotic terms: “I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.” He declared: “I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”
    • Fox News reported on June 3 under the headline "Bergdahl wrote of being 'ashamed' to be an American in emails" that according to “sources who had debriefed two former members of Bergdahl’s unit,” the deserter “left behind a note the night he left base in which he expressed disillusionment with the Army and being an American and suggested that he wanted to renounce his American citizenship and go find the Taliban.”
    • Semi-classified documents reveal collaboration with the enemy on Bergdahl's part. According to one of these documents, dated August 23, 2012, “conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid. Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion. Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and bounds around the pitch like a mad man. He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying ‘Salaam’ repeatedly.”
    These are offenses punishable by life imprisonment, or even death. Yet the military treats him as just another soldier and has returned him to duty -- albeit with two "buddies" with him at all times to "help him make the adjustment" back to Army life. It is obvious just from that simple action that the Army does not trust Bergdahl but has no choice in its treatment of him.

    I am not advocating, by any means, a "guilty until proven innocent" methodology. But if Charles Manson had never been brought to trial and was allowed to return to the world with two "buddies" who were assigned to "help him readjust" what would we think? This is no different. If the statements above are true, Bergdahl is as much a psychopathic killer as is Manson. The American people deserve to hear the truth and see the results of whatever justice is determined.
     
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    This still begs the question: Why do we recruit and retain people with psychopathic problems?

    We still need to wait for all the facts to come to light.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    Why?

    Is a marine left to rot in Mexico, while Bergdahl is treated like a hero, getting a cash reward for his efforts? :BangHead:
     
  12. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    Do psychopathic problems mitigate treason?

    And you didn't answer my initial question to you in that last post.
     
  13. just-want-peace

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    Makes it obvious REAL QUICKLY where the "heart" of this administration is, eh wot????? :BangHead:
     
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    Oh, I suspect there is plenty of administration pressure to not move forward with a court martial at this point. Should be interesting to watch.
     
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    That is the way the U.C.M.J. operates. Always has.
     
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    The UCMJ only works when it begins the process of finding the truth. That hasn't happened. It likely won't.
     
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    It's gonna be whitewashed. the reputation of the narcissist depends on it. very least, they'll drag their feet and rely on the general public being g disinterested and quietly let it fade away. or somebody shoots the guy and then they're dropping all charges declare him a hero and his allahuakhbar-ing father gets paid the benefits and the grand narcissist gets a photo op.
     
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    1. His guilt or innocence is all based on best-guesses at this point.

    2. He will never be charged or convicted of anything that casts a bad shadow on the administration that bargained for his release.
     
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    He will never be tried.

    The commander-in-chief will not permit it.
     
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    The Marine was arrested on a gun charge.

    Obama will let him rot in jail.
     

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