Interpretors?

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  1. Plain ol' Ralph

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    According to Acts 2, Gallileans spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance. And all that were present HEARD them in their own native tongue. Since the Holy Ghost did the interpreting, why is it that "tongues"/ glossalalia, needs to be interpreted if it's from God?
     
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    I'm no "tongues" advocate but the Holy Bible is from God and still needs interpretation.

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    Becasue, in the Bible, God said so. It's the way He chooses to work.
     
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    Ditto Donna.

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    The Holy Spirit moved men to "speak in glossalalia" and also moved men to "interpret glossalalia."

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    There is a difference between what happened in Acts 2 and what Paul taught in 1 Cor. 14. In 1 Cor. 14 there was a problem in the church in Corinth. Paul's aim was to bring the church into order from chaos and a divisive spirit.
     
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    The miracle of Acts 2 was a miracle of "speaking" not a miracle of "hearing". This is a common error.

    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
    7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
    10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
    11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    The miracle was upon the ones in the upper room in that they spoke in tongues. It was not a miracle upon the crowd in that they heard in toungues. It was a miracle of tongues, not ears! THE REASON THEY HEARD IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE IS THAT THE 120 WERE SPEAKING IN THEIR LANGUAGE!!!

    There is no indication that known languages were spoken or understood in either Acts 10 or 19.

    The reason for the interpreter being required by Paul was to regulate abuse of tongues in the Corinthian church. There is no indication that tongues were present in any but the most carnal of the churches addressed by the Apostle.
     
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    I hafta disagree some. When Peter & the others were preaching, they were speaking in Aramaic or whatever each speaker's primary language was. And no, ALL those men didn't speak to the crowd at once, or it woulda been utter confusion. Yet, WHOEVER spoke was heard by all the audience in whatever his/her primary language was. Just think...If TWO people are speaking loudly enough to be heard by an audience outdoors, would you understand EITHER of them? I believe they spoke in turn as Paul later set forth in Corinthians.

    But if an Arab and a Greek were standing side-by-side, EACH woulda heard the words of the same speaker in his own language.

    In this case, the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF was the interpreter. He used HIS power; there was no need for HIM to have repeated the words as a HUMAN interpreter must.

    There were several miracles performed by the Holy Spirit; His indwelling of the original assembly, their speaking in tongues, His interpretations to the audience as it gathered.
     
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    Why? Didn't God mean what He said the first time?
     
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    Becasue, in the Bible, God said so. It's the way He chooses to work. </font>[/QUOTE]But then you are confusing unknown tongues/languages not known to the persons present, with the Holy Ghost giving utterence.

    Anytime the Holy Ghost gave utterence, ALL present heard what was said, and it was the WONDEFUL works of God, much unlike the boastings of those who claim to be gifted.
     
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    Actually, NO, it would be more the way yall chose God to work, but then He did do different than yall believe, too.
     
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    The Holy Spirit moved men to "speak in glossalalia" and also moved men to "interpret glossalalia."

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    </font>[/QUOTE]Then show us all where in Acts 2 He did that? I don't see anywhere anyone did any interpreting, they simply heard what was said.
     
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    There is a difference between what happened in Acts 2 and what Paul taught in 1 Cor. 14. In 1 Cor. 14 there was a problem in the church in Corinth. Paul's aim was to bring the church into order from chaos and a divisive spirit. </font>[/QUOTE]by your estimation "glossalalia" is not of God, I concur
     
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    So then the "angellic tongues" does not exist? This jibber-jabber of some one with a lot of do-do-do, and something about a honda is of whom? The devil?
     
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    IMHO
    When the day of Pentecost was "fully come" which means the dawnig of a new day and the Sound of a mighty Rushing wind and tongues of fire sat upon each individual they began to speak in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterence.
    This was approx 5:00 am in the morning/
    When they spake in tongues their mind was unfruitful, howbeit in the Spirit they were speaking mysteries.
    At the Third our of the day after this was noised abroad ( probably 900 am the sound of the wind:notice not a wind but the sound of wind)
    Then devout jews perplexed and ask What meaneth this? Others mocked and said they are full of new Wine.
    The Holy Spirit who brings things to our remembrance quickened Peter to interpret by bringing the term New Wine whick is a term used 5 times in the Book of Joel interesting phrase). The Wonderful works of God which were prayed in Unknown languages were interpreted with such power that the works of God being interpreted were interupted by the question : "What Must I do to be saved?"
     
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    Funny thang, atestrang, now you're trying to psyco-analize the 120 in the upper-room! [​IMG]

    Your "interpretation" of Acts 2 is, well, WRONG!

    It doesn't say they "prayed", neither does it say they "spoke mysteries"

    And the "tongues"? Well, those were already established languages, which does, BTW, DISPROVE the "glossalalia" of today
     
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    We do not know everything since we weren't tere on the Day of Pentecost but we do know that Paul says in ICorinthians that when we pray in Tongues ( which is speaking to God) that our mind is unfruitful but in the spirit we speak mysteries. These mysteries ar not anything that God does do not know but things we do not know.
    We do know the people in ACTS 2 :11 were speaking the WOnderful Works of God,
    If you don't want anything to do with speaking in tongues I hope you are speaking the wonderful Works of God. the world needs to hear the wonderful works of God. If people hear the wonderful works of God then maybe they will interupt us and ask What must I do to be saved?
    When is the last time you have seen this kind of interruption in a church service or a witnessing encounter?
    Maybe youo are seeing these results, but if not ask yourself ,Why not?
    Did the Early church having something going for them that we do not have available today.
    I personally think that tose that fight tongues and miracles are afraid of what they will look like and what people will think about them. They are afraid of being accused of drinking new wine. The early church loved not their lives to the end and did not care about what everyone thought. Paul did not come in enticing words of mans wisdom but in power and demonstration.
    Take a look and see how world wide people that are sold out to God and aren't afraid of what others tink about them are seeing salvations on an unprecendent level. India, Nigeria, Brazil etc.

    [ January 06, 2005, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: atestring ]
     

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