Previous thread closed due to page limit. Where we left off: Quote: I'm not asking you to lie; I'm not asking for anyone to "let me have my way." You clearly stated that the verse speaks of their condition when he found them; the verse does not speak of this. It speaks of Paul preaching without excellency of speech, or wisdom. The chapter, without question, speaks of lost people; there is no argument. The only correction I'm asking of you is your mis-statement regarding verse 1. If you can't admit this, then you are already lying -- to yourself. Further, you damage your own testimony by not admitting that you simply mis-spoke regarding one verse out of over 31,000 in the Bible. If you can provide a commentary for 1 Cor 2:1-5 that indicates these verses are speaking of lost people, which would then substantiate your claim that verse 1 speaks of the condition of the sinner, then--just as I have done before--I will gladly recant and admit my error. (reminder: the commentaries you've presented previously are focused around verse 14. You need to provide commentary references specifically focused on verse 1) If you can't, then simply say you can't and let's move on. I don't need you to start a thread with the title "Luke was wrong," or use some super-sized font; just looking for you to admit that you're human, and once in a while, while not actually making a mistake, you might possibly mis-step. Just like the rest of us. I believe it's already well past 10:00pm your time; I don't expect a response, whatever it may be, until tomorrow. Good night.