Iraq: Ceasefire talks a 'win' for insurgents

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  1. LadyEagle

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    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55953

    IOW, our young men and women have bled and died for nothing.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PFEU5O0&show_article=1
     
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    I wish this type of silly insensitive comment would stop. It is insulting to our servicemen and women who have died. It is insulting to their families. Dying to free people from a tyrannical murderous dictator is not nothing. It wasn't when it happened in the 1940s and it isn't now.

    You might not like the war, but don't attack the dead. Their deaths were part of the cost of freedom.
     
  3. NiteShift

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    Many, including yourself, have been declaring the war to be unwinnable, and have called for withdrawal for quite some time. I would think that you'd welcome talks, truces and the like.
     
  4. LadyEagle

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    I have never declared the war to be unwinnable. What I have declared is I wish our troops had a CIC who wasn't asleep at the wheel and would let our soldiers win the war without trying to do nation building at the same time. First you are supposed to win the war (like in WW2) and THEN do the nation building with what is left. The war in Iraq never had a PLAN after Saddam was removed from power - not that the generals didn't have a plan, but the CIC and his cronies (Rumsfeld, et al) didn't have a plan. Yes, to declare that our men and women have died and bled in vain is no reflection on them - they were obeying orders - faulty orders, orders given to them by an egomaniac in power who has a delusional world view, IMO. I woke up to his devices and lack of understanding the situation and mentality of the various religious/tribal sects there when after days (more than a week) of our troops fighting al Sadr in 2004 (and dying), the CIC ordered there be peace talks with the enemy instead of letting our troops utterly destroy the enemy - that's when my opinion of the war in Iraq changed, because it was so reminiscent of the way our troops were ordered to engage in Viet Nam. Take a hill, or a town, or a city, and then give it back to the enemy. This idiotic process has been repeated all through this Iraq war.

    Not to mention the joke of the Iraqi constitution which created yet another islamic state in the region (under the guidancea and direction of GW Bush). Iraq is NOT a democracy - even though some here fall into step with the faulty Bush et al mentality trying to pass off an islamic state as a democracy - a true democracy protects the rights of minorities (read Christians). Christians were left out of the Iraqi constitution (created by GW Bush and his islamic advisers) and Christians have continued to flee Iraq by the thousands.

    So, yes, unless our troops have a clear-cut goal to root out and destroy the enemy and hold a territory, forget about nation building or "peace talks" - utterly destroy the enemy, or else get our troops out and let the Sunni and Shia (people who bite heads off of frogs and eat the beating hearts out of living rabbits) fight it out amongst themselves. It is a barbarian unrefined culture that needs eradicated if innocent people (Christians and other peace-seeking individuals) are to live in freedom and the stated goal of a democracy.
     
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    :smilewinkgrin:
    Well, I am reluctant to get into a shouting match with any of the moderators, but you did say the following:

    "Sending more US troops is just sending more cannon fodder for these cowardly people."

    "I'd say the surge is not working and no amount of additional American troops there will make a difference in this god-forsaken land."


    It sounded as if you were declaring the war to be un-winnable.
    Guess I was wrong. ;)


     
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    Quote form the article:
    Be sure to have them raise their right hand and say "I promise".
     
  8. LadyEagle

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    Well, like the verse I have quoted in my signature:

    Exodus 23: "Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works...Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods...: if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee."

    We have been ensnared. We gave in to their god (bowing to islam and creating an islamic state with no regard for the Christians who lived there, or the indigenous population (Assyrians, not arab), we went after their works, we have made and continue to make covenants with them and with their gods (allah), and we serve their gods (not wishing to offend, learning their culture, accepting their customs and being politically correct). It is a snare and will continue to be a snare to the US because our leaders have not done what is right, either in Iraq, or for the nation of Israel, for the citizens of America, or for the brave men and women of our military who have given all.
     

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