IRAQ: It's not a civil war, I tell you #2

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Why would you say that LE?
     
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    c. Contain, Destabilize, and Roll Back Regional Challengers

    The Israeli motivated plan to “destabilize” and “redraw the map of the Middle East” may be remembered by future generations as the spark that fell into the tinder box of World War III. While the United States is clearly interested in the reform of governments and institutions across the Middle East, a slower and more gradual approach with lower amounts of bloodshed was clearly the preferable path.

    By accelerating conflict and casting aside both international law and alliances in the name of “regime change”, the U.S. is increasingly perceived as a rogue state and every bit as much a U.N. pariah as Israel.


    By picking fights with ethnicities and tribes about which it knows or chooses to know comparatively little, the Bush Administration is only beginning to harvest the consequences of ill-advised and ideologically motivated extremism.

    Is there a Connection between Zbigniew Brzezinski’s “Eurasian Balkans” and the “New Middle East” Project?
    The following are important excerpts and passages from former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geo-strategic Imperatives. Brzezinski also states that both Turkey and Iran, the two most powerful states of the “Eurasian Balkans,” located on its southern tier, are “potentially vulnerable to internal ethnic conflicts [balkanization],” and that, “If either or both of them were to be destabilized, the internal problems of the region would become unmanageable.”10

    It seems that a divided and balkanized Iraq would be the best means of accomplishing this. Taking what we know from the White House's own admissions; there is a belief that “creative destruction and chaos” in the Middle East are beneficial assets to reshaping the Middle East, creating the “New Middle East,” and furthering the Anglo-American roadmap in the Middle East and Central Asia:




    Mission Accomplished!
     
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    More proof there is no civil war going on: :rolleyes: First article I posted was Sunni victims. This time the Shiites are the victims....But there is definitely no civil war going on, according to the Bush Administration....tomorrow, which group will set the bombs? It's a toss up.


    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C233917%2C00.html
     
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    More proof no Iraq civil war is going on from today

    More proof there is no Iraq civil war going on from today:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061206/D8LRCN481.html
     
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    More News form the Un-Civil War

    Dual Bombing in Central Baghdad Kills 57


    BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Two car bombs targeting day laborers looking for work exploded within seconds of each other Tuesday on a main square in central Baghdad, killing at least 57 people and wounding more than 150, police said.

    Also Tuesday, a television cameraman working for The Associated Press was shot to death by insurgents while covering clashes in the northern city of Mosul, police said.

    Aswan Ahmed Lutfallah, 35, was having his car repaired in an industrial area in the eastern part of the city when insurgents and police began fighting nearby and he rushed to cover the clash, police Brig. Abdul-Karim Ahmed Khalaf said.

    Insurgents spotted him filming, approached him and shot him to death, Khalaf said, citing an initial report. Lutfallah had not reported any prior threats against him.


    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061212/D8LV9TEG1.html
     
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    6 dead here, 4 dead the other day, 50 more here and there, maybe 100.

    What is your definition of war?


    If you are going to call what is going on a civil war then we have had civil war in Detroit, DC, Los Angeles for decades.

    487 homicides in Los Angles in 2005, 359 homicides in "Murder City" Detroit (lowest # in 30 years), 195 In DC (lowest in 10 years).

    St. Louis was rated the most dangerous city 2005 with a homicide rate that increased %16 in 2005 over an already high homicide rate in 2004. How come nobody says that the cities I listed are in civil war?
     
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    Crime rates in American cities = Apples & oranges re: this topic, but it appears you must agree with the Bush assessment/spin. Several generals (and others like Colin Powell) are getting tired of calling it "sectarian violence." The Sunnis and Shiites vying and killing each other for domination of a country would qualify as "large numbers" according to the definition of war you cited.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/29/powell.iraq/
     
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    Try 4,000 a month (linkie).
     
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    Still looks like it's along religious lines to me.

    The real reason for the clamoring to call it a "civil war" is to delegitimize our efforts. The next line will be something along the lines of what are we doing in the middle of a "civil war"?

    It just appears to me that muslims love to kill each other for religious sepremacy. Maybe that is "civil war", maybe not.

    Bottom line is: What does it really matter? It changes nothing.
     
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    It means that we need to leave.

    We need to transition, as quickly as possible, into using Iraqi troops in daily operations, such as patrolling their neighborhoods and tracking down known terrorists.

    We also need to increase our training efforts that will allow Iraqi forces to handle their own security.
     
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    While that is true, the oil (income) is predominantly in the Sunni Triangle. They do not want to share that with the Shiites. The Kurds don't even want to be part of Iraq. They call themselves "Kurdistan" the other Iraq and have gone on to recruit outside investments, etc., living their lives and trying to have a viable economy, etc., over the past few years, mainly while they were protected under the "no fly zone."

    http://www.theotheriraq.com/
     
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    Large numbers ofSunnis and Shiites are not participating in the killing. Only a small number are participating or the numbers of dead would be much higher.

    Bloods and Crips are killing each other over sections of this country. They are fighting over who gets what street and what city. Why is that not civil war?
     
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    The real reason for the clamoring to call it a "civil war" is to delegitimize our efforts. The next line will be something along the lines of what are we doing in the middle of a "civil war"?






    WOW!

    I was so on target that it's a little scary.:tonofbricks:
     
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