IRAQ: WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

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  1. poncho

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    AN "ISLAMIC REPUBLIC," THAT'S WHAT

    By: Justin Raimondo



    Why are we in Iraq? According to George W. Bush and the 101st Fighting Keyboarders, we're battling for "freedom," we're fighting for the love of liberty that supposedly burns in every heart – right?

    A look at the Iraqi Constitution [PDF] , which is now in its draft form, makes it very clear that the only proper answer to that contention is an emphatic – no way, José!

    Let's start with Article 1, which defines who is eligible to become a citizen of Iraq:

    "Any individual with another nationality (except for Israel) may obtain Iraqi nationality after a period of residency inside the borders of Iraq of not less than ten years for an Arab or twenty years for any other nationality.

    "An Iraqi may have more than one nationality as long as the nationality is not Israeli."

    Ah yes, Iraq the "model" – but what is it a model of? Nazism? Speaking of which, here's an ominous phrase from Article 5:

    "The Iraqi people are one people, unified by belief and the unity of the homeland and culture. Anything that exposes this unity to danger is forbidden."

    Uh oh. Does any of that sound familiar? Here's a hint for all you history buffs out there: "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer!"

    Article 5 is awash in bromides about "equality" and "human dignity," but when it gets right down to brass tacks, the State is All

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    I'm surprised the Kurds would agree to that "one culture" part.
     
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    Poncho, did you really expect them to stop hating Jews all of a sudden?
     
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    No not at all. Why do you ask, is that all you got from the article or the document itself?
     
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    We are fighting for an Islamic republic. But we were told it was going to be a democracy, weren't we?
     
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    No not at all. Why do you ask, is that all you got from the article or the document itself? </font>[/QUOTE]You led with it, so I assumed you deemed it important. My mistake.

    Problem with leading with a point that is so inane is that it made me lose interest in the rest of your post.
     
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    No not at all. Why do you ask, is that all you got from the article or the document itself? </font>[/QUOTE]You led with it, so I assumed you deemed it important. My mistake.

    Problem with leading with a point that is so inane is that it made me lose interest in the rest of your post.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, I see what you mean Carpro. Next time I'll have to throw in some patriotic graphics and bold buzz words to peak your interest. [​IMG]
     
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    I hope and pray we are not fighting for an
    Iran/Iraq brotherhood as well but the last
    12 days without a peep out of our government
    sure gives Iran(axis of evil list) a leg up.

    The window of coming home with a defined
    victory is still open... we tell Iran
    to exit out..and bring our boys and girls home
    with the defined honor that already exists.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/18/3190.html?

    and bump
    bill of rights
     
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    No not at all. Why do you ask, is that all you got from the article or the document itself? </font>[/QUOTE]You led with it, so I assumed you deemed it important. My mistake.

    Problem with leading with a point that is so inane is that it made me lose interest in the rest of your post.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, I see what you mean Carpro. Next time I'll have to throw in some patriotic graphics and bold buzz words to peak your interest. [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Now you're talking! :D
     
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    Just more Bush bashing I see.

    I am surprised that LadyEagle would side with Justin Raimondo - LINK

    And LadyEagle thinks she has disagreements with me. [​IMG]
     
  11. poncho

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    Not worry ASLANSPAL. It's all under control, there is a contingency plan being drawn up.

    "The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing – that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack – but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections."

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    [​IMG] BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ!

     
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    Poncho,

    Do you agree with Raimondo's attitude toward Israel?
     
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    Are you asking if I think Israel is to blame for 9/11 Ken?
     
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    "For Raimondo, the Great Satan is America, and the Little Satan is Israel. He has written a screed called The Terror Enigma, that is a kind of Protocols of the Elders of Zion for the War on Terror. Raimondo’s tract – it’s only a pamphlet issued by a vanity press – insinuates, with no serious evidence, that the Israeli government had prior knowledge of 9/11 but failed to warn our authorities; that because an Israeli lived in the same neighborhood as a 9/11 conspirator they were naturally complicit; Israelis selling art on the streets of the U.S. were actually big-time spies engaged in undermining our government; that here, there, and everywhere, the omnipotent Israelis control everything, so why not the attack on the Twin Towers as well? The next step from this conspiracy logic is, of course, the claim that Israel was in on 9/11 with the Bush administration."

    - http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17310
     
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    So, what's your point here? Are you trying to say that because I posted an article by Raimondo that I agree with everything he has ever written or said?

    Do you agree with everything George Bush has ever said? Far as I can tell this is just another attempt to paint me something I'm not and turn this thread into another name calling match.

    And no, I don't think Israel was behind 9/11. Something I do think though Ken, just because someone is from Israel or is a Jew doesn't make them off limits to an investigation and it doesn't render them unable to commit a crime.

    They do have jails in Israel don't they? They do arrest and convict thieves and murderers in Israel just like any other country do they not?

    Now can we please get back to the topic?
     
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    The source of your topic has no credibility, poncho.

    Every time someone posts something positive spoken or written by a Muslim LadyEagle responds by posting some bad thing that Muslim said or wrote at another time. I've simply learned from LE how to play the game. ;)
     
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    To you Ken, to you. This is an article like any other. Either you pick out bits of information and follow it up with your own search into the facts or non facts or you claim it has no credibility because you don't agree with the person that wrote it. That's your choice, it's the easy way out but that's still your choice. I'm going to start calling you Mr. Electric cuz you always seem to follow the path of least resistance. [​IMG]
     
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    And I'm not responsible for what LE posts. [​IMG] For what it's worth I don't agree every Muslim is a terrorist or terrorist wannabe. Yet. We haven't bombed and taken over enough of their cities and resources for that, but it could be getting close.
     
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    You really don't have to argue for the credibility of this one auther. The FACT that steps are being made to forge an Iran-Iraq Moslem superpower in the Middle East are common knowledge. That's all I need to know to conclude that this war is an absolute disaster for America. The situation in the Middle East will be greatly worsened by it as has the terrorism situation around the world. Extremist Moslems have rallied around the U.S. invasion of Iraq to greatly increase their numbers and effectiveness.
     
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    If the contingency plan story earlier in this thread is credible then another "Pearl Harbor" type event on American soil could lead to nuking Iran. But only with "small tactical nukes". Hey we need to test these nifty new gadgets out anyway, so why not?

    So far it looks to me as it would be bomb first and ask questions latter. A sound nation building policy I reckon.
     

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