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Featured Is Andy Stanley Ho-Humming the Virgin Birth?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, rather that God judged that all of us have sinned in Adam, as He was th representative for us before God!
    Same way God judges saved all found in Christ, second Adam, who passed the test to fully obey God on our behalf!
     
    #101 Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2016
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    Some here though seem to have said Jesus did not have to be born that way to be God incarnate, our Messiah, though, correct?
     
    #102 Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2016
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    What is that old sin nature then? Something that gets in us at first sin done?
     
    #103 Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2016
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    John 8:46 states that Jess did indeed assert that!
     
    #104 Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2016
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    People do not look at this issue in those terms. So it is irrelevant with regard to this conversation. Neither do we make one recite that Mary was a Virgin before w dub them saved. In fact it is not normally part of the soul winning process.
     
    #105 Revmitchell, Dec 27, 2016
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    Agree that belief in it is not what saves you, but one needs to hold to it once saved!
     
    #106 Yeshua1, Dec 28, 2016
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    If they do not is it your position then that they are not saved? What do you means by "need to believe".
     
    #107 Revmitchell, Dec 28, 2016
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    Saved, but really have a bad view on this, as it is the way God used to haveJesus bypass being a sinner,,,
    IF you say that it was not needed , than how could he not be a sinner like you and me?
     
    #108 Yeshua1, Dec 28, 2016
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    Being born of a virgin is not a natural thing. We can sit around all day and say that Jesus had to be born of a virgin in order not to inherit sin, but many do not draw that conclusion (that sin is somehow inherited from our father as a biological trait). In fact, I do not draw that conclusion. I don't believe that sin is transmitted genetically, biologically, or physically but instead I view sin as a spiritual issue. We are of Adam spiritually, and Jesus was also of the same stock (humanly speaking) but without sin.

    That said, I do believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. The reason, however, was not necessarily to prevent sin from being transferred through bodily fluids. It was because His Father is God. Jesus is fully God and fully man.

    My point, Y1, is that those who doubt the virgin birth do not necessarily doubt that Jesus was without sin. We can't take their understanding to what we would consider our logical conclusion (for example - logically, if a woman is pregnant she has had relations with a man).
     
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    I don't take it in a biological sense, but in a spritual one, as paul seemed to be quite clear that Jesus stood in for sinners as our head, and that God declares us right due to Him "Passing the test". in like fashion, Adam stood in place of sinners and failed, so all in Him now lost, all in Christ now saved. I am just reacting to those who deny the Virgin Birth , who say that God did not do that, was jusy a myth, or some deny that, as they say the Apostles just took over myth to contrast Jesus is Lord as compared to Caesar!
     
    #110 Yeshua1, Dec 29, 2016
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    I had someone on here rebuke me a yr ago for calling him a heretic. That person said he had written a couple of good books I gave up at that point.
     
    #111 Marooncat79, Dec 29, 2016
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    I can't imagine who that would be..............:Rolleyes
     
    #112 Revmitchell, Dec 29, 2016
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