Is anyone righteous?

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  1. Jude

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    Romans 3.10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one..."

    Is anyone righteous?
     
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    Not one. Nobody. For all have sinned. All we, like sheep, have gone astray.
     
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    All are "totally depraved" by virtue of their sinful fallen human nature (even Mary).

    But that does not mean that the new birth has not created a "new creation" in the heart of those who choose to respond to the enabling and drawing of "all mankind unto God".

    Part of that Gospel transformation is an exchange where "HE becomes sin for us that WE might become the righteousness of God in Him".

    And because of that we see the Word of God speaking of the righteousness attained by humans - by faith.

    In Christ,

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    I believe Christ's imputed righteousness will not cover us until we meet him.

    There is positional holiness, and conditional holiness. It is true that we are set apart for Christ's purpose at the moment of salvation, but it is impossible for us to live a perfect, holy life.

    So I believe I have yet to be declared righteous.

    Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
     
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    No one is righteous???

    Gen. 6.9 ...Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.

    Gen. 7.1 The LORD then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.

    Job 12.4 “I have become a laughingstock to my friends, though I called upon God and he answered — a mere laughingstock, though righteous and blameless!

    Psa. 32.11 Rejoice in the LORD and be glad, you righteous; sing, all you who are upright in heart!

    Psa. 33.1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous; it is fitting for the upright to praise him.

    Psa. 37.25 I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread.

    Psa. 112.4 Even in darkness light dawns for the upright, for the gracious and compassionate and righteous man.


    Is. 3.10 Tell the righteous it will be well with them, for they will enjoy the fruit of their deeds.

    Jer. 20.12 O LORD Almighty, you who examine the righteous and probe the heart and mind, let me see your vengeance upon them, for to you I have committed my cause.

    Ezek. 18.9 He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws. That man is righteous; he will surely live, declares the Sovereign LORD.

    and of course, these following are problematic for the ‘once saved always saved’ crowd...

    Ezek. 33.12 “Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.’ 13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done.

    Ezek. 33.18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.

    But I digress...

    Matt. 1.19 Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

    Jesus Himself says there were righteous people...

    Matt. 13.17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

    Luke 2.25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

    Acts 10.22 The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to have you come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”

    How do we explain the following....

    Rom. 2.13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

    James 2.21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

    James 2.25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?


    1Pet. 3.12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

    2Pet. 2.7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) —

    And certainly, righteousness, according to St John, has something to do with WHAT we do...

    1John 3.7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
     
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    oops...I forgot...

    1 Th. 2.10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
     
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    Then why does scripture declare none of us righteous, yet seemingly contradict it'self it the verses you posted ?

    Was Noah righteous when he was drunk and naked ?

    Was David righteous during his murderous adultery ?

    Could it be that there are two different meanings, ie. positional, and conditional ?

    And your statement and of course, these following are problematic for the ‘once saved always saved’ crowd... seems to tell me your just trying to cause some trouble, or push an agenda, so I'll bow out. My two cents are in.
     
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    Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    The righteousness of the Pharisees was not only a self-righteousness, but it was under the law; i.e., a righteousness that could not be kept.

    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    Christ is my righteousness. He clothed me with his cloak of righteousness when I got saved. Thus when God looks down from heaven he does not see me, but the righteousness of Jesus Christ that covers me. Once I am saved, I am always saved, for it is Christ that has delivered me from the effects of the law (death), and has given me a standing in righteousness, the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
    DHK
     
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    Look at the context. The statement 'none are righteous' is talking about those without salvation, none of THEM are righteous! So yes, perhaps you need to re-examine your own views about righteousness, based on the fact that so-many Scriptures say a man can be righteous -and in fact MUST be- before God!

    Frankly, isn't this entire BB used by ALL of us to 'push an agenda'? That 'agenda' word is an interesting one...I hear it a lot from 'liberals' in my own denomination when the want to 'dismiss' or 'minimize' the conservative viewpoint...how often I've been accused by the liberal/apostates of 'causing trouble'. How interesting it's used here by -what I gather Bro. Curtis is-a conservative believer. I simply believe that OSAS is a false doctrine, and leads many to a rather 'casual' committment to Jesus Christ, and to holiness.

    [ April 12, 2004, 07:18 AM: Message edited by: Jude ]
     
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    I don't doubt for one-minute that when one becomes a believer, that all previous sins are erased. The record of our sins could be as high as Everest, but once we confess Christ, once we are baptised in His Name, all is forgiven. But I do dispute not only the (very late on the Christian scene)so-called doctrine of 'imputed righteousness', but also OSAS. I could cite the examples of Judas and Annanias and Sapphira as examples of those who didn't make it. And I could cite many Scriptures that refute OSAS, but will offer just these for now...

    Heb. 3.12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15 As has just been said: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.”

    Heb. 3.16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

    Heb. 6.4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
     
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    I don't doubt for one-minute that when one becomes a believer, that all previous sins are erased. The record of our sins could be as high as Everest, but once we confess Christ, once we are baptised in His Name, all is forgiven. </font>[/QUOTE]If you have come this far (OSAS notwithstanding--save it for another thread) then what is your problem?
    You have now admitted that: "There is none righteousnee," applies to non-believers.
    You have also admitted that when a believer comes to Christ in faith his sins are all forgiven. Does that not make him righteous befor the Lord. It did for Abraham.

    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    God calls Abraham righteous on accout of his belief in God. We are made righteous on account of our belief in Christ, just as Noah was, and all the others you mentioned in a previous post. Righteousness comes from beleiving in Christ.

    There is none righteous--no not one--a description of the unsaved.
    Read the rest of the description in verses 11-18, and then comment.
    DHK
     
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    Stand fast DHK, for you speak the truth in righteousness!

    We have NO righteousness of ourselves (flesh)
    When Scripture speaks of ANY man having righteousness, it is the Righteousness of GOD (indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ to our account undeservedly so)

    We as believers should see this easily, or else why does GOD get 100% of all the Glory?

    It is because all Glory belongs only to Him!
    It is because all Righteousness belongs only to Him!
    It is because all that is truly Good belongs only to Him!
    It is because all Honor belongs only to Him!
    It is because all Praise belongs only to Him!

    He has the market for all these things cornered folks! Thank You Lord Jesus! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Look at the context. The statement 'none are righteous' is talking about those without salvation, none of THEM are righteous! So yes, perhaps you need to re-examine your own views about righteousness, based on the fact that so-many Scriptures say a man can be righteous -and in fact MUST be- before God!

    Frankly, isn't this entire BB used by ALL of us to 'push an agenda'? That 'agenda' word is an interesting one...I hear it a lot from 'liberals' in my own denomination when the want to 'dismiss' or 'minimize' the conservative viewpoint...how often I've been accused by the liberal/apostates of 'causing trouble'. How interesting it's used here by -what I gather Bro. Curtis is-a conservative believer. I simply believe that OSAS is a false doctrine, and leads many to a rather 'casual' committment to Jesus Christ, and to holiness.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Jude, you are judging after the flesh, not the spirit.
     
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    "It is all calumny. The apostle Paul introduceth an infidel making this objection, in his epistle to the Romans; and none but infidels, that never felt the power of Christ's resurrection upon their souls, will urge it over again. And therefore, notwithstanding this objection, with the Prophet in the text, we may boldly say, 'The Lord is our righteousness.'" - George Whitefield

    The Holy Ghost saith in Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

    By the way, the whole book of Hebrews is great proof of the doctrine of eternal security of BELIEVERS.
     
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    Romans 3:10 must be understood in context. The letter was written to Christians ( Romans 1:7). The reference to none being righteous refers to both Jew and Gentile who had rebelled against the God who had saved them( Romans 1:16,17,29-32). Those unrighteous are the ones who have " gone out of the way." (vs.12). In short, both Jew and Gentile are unrighteous when they go out of the way of God ( Romans 2:6-11). None are righteous that go out of God's way.
    Jude, I appreciate the mention of contextual study. It is a most refreshing idea, indeed.
     
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    My problem is with the so-called doctrine of 'imputed righteousness'. Infused righteousness is the clear teaching of Scripture and the early church. It is all GRACE, but I must 'embrace the grace' by my 'works'...I must pick up 'my' Cross and follow Him. I must endure to the end. My problem is with 'easy believism' that is so-rampant is many Protestant churches. My problem is with a lack of holiness in many 'Christians' today.


    Rom. 2.5-8 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
     
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    Actually, it's in a works based system where lack of holiness, and even easy-believism most often occurs. If we are so confident that we are working enough, we begin to slide in other areas. With the "works" being emphasized alot being religious ceremony/ordinances, (baptism, communion, confession, penance, and whatever else) it is actually easy for sinful man to do those things, but then the real life of self-denial (of fleshy desires, our thoughts, etc) often gets glossed over, with those other works being assumed to make up for it.
    I know this may not be how it "should" work, but in practice, this is how it usually is.
     
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    Paul does not argue that they never came to the Lord and accepted salvation. He argues that they are being deceived into thinking they can embrace rebellion against God after having been washed - and still make it to heaven.

    Seems to be a common thread. The saints "really are righteous" in terms of "their fruit" (Matt 7) - they show themselves to be children of God.

    Granted - They don't "become God's children" only after having fully proven themselves to already be the children of God.

    In Christ,

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    I'm not really righteous. I am tempted and sin from time to time and so does everybody else.

    But if you check the official records in heaven, you will not find a single sin credited against me. DON'T LOOK FOR ERASURE MARKS as I am sure it took some erasing . . .

    So if I say I am a sinner like every other man, that's true.

    And if I say God has cleansed me from all sin that is also true. I AM NOT CONTRADICTING MYSELF when you know the whole story!

    Isn't that all we're saying here?
     

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