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Is bearing false witness a sin?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Jul 24, 2007.

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  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    In the thread about the roles of men (and the increasing amount of females in those roles)
    All who claim the Bible teaches a headship roe for men over women are simply women haters.

    A common term for this is ad hominem which simply means argument against the person, as opposed to argument with the facts.

    But there is no direct command that I am aware of in the Bible against ad hominem.
    There IS a command against bearing false witness.
    You can find it in Exodus 20 if you need to.

    Calliung us woman haters is not just an offense against us, it is a sin against almighty God.
    To me, the accusation is so absurd as to be funny.
    To God though, it is the breaking of one of his commandments.
     
    #1 Dale-c, Jul 24, 2007
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    If you want bearing false witness, check out the Rick Warren thread. :tear:
     
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  3. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    As you know, I am no fan of Warren.
    I do not doubt though that many falsehoods have been spoken against him

    It is wrong to do, even if your point is right.
     
    #3 Dale-c, Jul 24, 2007
  4. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    This brings up the point that no matter how wicked the man, we must still be honest about him.

    It would be an equal sin to witness falsely against Adolph Hitler as it would be against Charles Spurgeon.
     
    #4 Dale-c, Jul 24, 2007
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    Uhhhhmmmmm.......do you know of anyone from this board who has witnessed falsely against Charles Spurgeon ?
     
    #5 pinoybaptist, Jul 24, 2007
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    No

    But

    It was Dwight Eisenhower who said

    "If Hitler invaded Hell, I'd side with the Devil"

    You tell me what kind of a man Hitler was
     
    #6 blackbird, Jul 24, 2007
  7. Dale-c

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    I was just using those as examples but come I think some people have denied that he was a calvinist, but that may have just been ignorance.
     
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    Hitler ? Adolph Hitler ?
    Eeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, I tells ya !
     
    #8 pinoybaptist, Jul 24, 2007
  9. Analgesic

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    I'm not entirely comfortable with equating an ad hominem as bearing false witness, since one tends to believe the ad hominem to be correct. It certainly could fall under being as "wise as serpents", however, since a wise man certainly could not commit logical fallacies.
     
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  10. Dale-c

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    Perhaps it would be best to state that ad hominem is SOMETIMES false witness.

    As for ad hominem, it can even be true.
    For instance, people could say that we should not follow the Pauline Epistles since Paul at one time killed Christians.
    That would be an ad hominem yet it would actually be a true statement with a bad motive.

    Having a disagreement about feminism and saying that those that believe a certian way are woman haters is at the same time ad hominem and false witness.
    It is false witness because it is a slanderous lie.
    It is ad hominem because it attempts to win the argument by attacking the person rather than dealing with his positions on principle.
     
    #10 Dale-c, Jul 24, 2007
  11. Analgesic

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    That's of course true, but not significant, for the simple reason that an ad hominem has nothing to whether or not the attack is true. An ad hominem is not fallacious because it is false, it is fallacious because it's not grounds to attack the particular position put forth. An ad hominem is certainly sometimes false witness, but its being false witness has nothing to do with it being an ad hominem and vice versa.

    As for the feminism disagreement, it might not be the bearing of false witness, depending in what sense one is speaking of being a woman hater. Language is inherently subjective, so what you see as constituting a "woman hater" might be different from what someone else sees as definitive of a "woman hater". Since different criteria are being used in ascribing the term, a person might very well be rightly called one in one sense and wrongly in another.
     
    #11 Analgesic, Jul 24, 2007
  12. charles_creech78

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    I believe it is a sin
     
    #12 charles_creech78, Jul 24, 2007
  13. I Am Blessed 24

    I Am Blessed 24 Active Member

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    Yes, it is a sin, but the BB would be sans a lot of posts if no one sinned...

    Look at all the 'Jack Hyles' threads.

    I think we have torn apart just about everyone and I'm sure it will continue. We need more positive threads.

    We are to be exhorters, not finger-pointers.

    It's so easy to run people down who cannot defend themselves...
     
    #13 I Am Blessed 24, Jul 25, 2007
  14. mcdirector

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    Amen.

    And it seems that in defending ourselves for some offense (perceived or real), we often start offending.
     
    #14 mcdirector, Jul 25, 2007
  15. Dale-c

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    I have no use for Jack Hyles at all. BUt I still believe that he should be treated honestly just as anyone else.

    We seem to have two lists:
    Those we like and those we don't.
    Once someone is on our don't like list, it is hard to see any good in them.

    This is a weakness I as well as others should overcome.
     
    #15 Dale-c, Jul 25, 2007
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