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Primitive Baptists are Arminians!?!? That's news to me. But I really know zilch about Southern Baptists...... must be a Southern thing cause there aint none here......maybe in Wisconsin! :smilewinkgrin:

 

Excuse me, I meant General Baptists.

John

 

I never said it did..... I did say that it appears insane to think that God would stand there & offer a guy salvation only to be rejected & look ridiculous. Further I asked why would anyone given new life would ever reject it....I certainly did not....did you? Haven't had an answer to my satisfaction.

 

If you don't know zilch about Southern Baptists, then why would you incorrectly call them Arminian?

Every non-cal is not NOT Arminian.

Some, like me, are just regular Christians.:smilewinkgrin: Some of us believe in parts of the same points as Cals and Arminian, but not to every point.

For instance, the main point I do agree with Cals on is eternal security. And the main point i disagree on with Arminians is conditional salvation.

John

 

Maybe one day God will give them the grace to understand that.

 

When a man rejects salvation, it is he that looks ridiculous, not God.

No, I don't understand why people reject the gospel. I know of people that say they believe in God but won't seek salvation because they love the things of the world more. Still, the Bible tells us over and over that we can choose God or we can choose the world, so obviously God does gives us the choice to reject Grace.

John

 

EWF, have you heard of the Primitive Baptist Universalist churches?

 

Perhaps one day they will mature into this position.

 

Frankly dont know much about them either. I know Catholics....they are the predominant religion here....then we have some Reformed & Presbyterian Churches & a plethora of apostate UMC & PCUSA churches in my landscape....baptists of any kind, not so much.

 

Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Well, here you go, Jesus certainly offered the young rich ruler salvation, but the young man rejected it. Did it make Jesus look ridiculous?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

 

Never heard of them....why do you ask?

 

At the founding of the convention there were General Baptists (non cal) and Particular Baptists (cal).

 

Pure ignorance. So your saying all arminians believe this doctrine?

 

I think a PB would get his nose outa joint if he heard you calling him a calvinist.

 

Conditional salvation is a conerstone of Arminian theology.

That is why I am not Arminian.

John

 

EFW is right, Although PB's believe and practice reformed theology, they deny any ties to John Calvin.

John

 

OK then whats a Weslyian?

 

As they all should

 

You seemed surprised that:

Well Universalism is way past Arminianism.