Is George W. Bush a true believer?

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  1. Daniel David

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    What do you think?

    Would he be welcome as a member in your church?

    He gives a testimony of salvation. He also pays homage to Allah.
     
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    1. I just hope he hasn't decieved himself into thinking a profession is what saves him or to get the "Christian vote."

    2. He probably wouldn't fit in well at our church.

    3. He's worshipping at the altar of "multi-culturalism." While not necessarily a damnable offense, a dishonest at best, and deceptive at worst offense.

    Jason :D
     
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    He'd be welcomed to attend, but he probably wouldn't want to stay. Unless, of course, he is putting on his life in Christ and leaving his job outside the doors.
     
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    He'd be welcomed.

    The job of President of the US has got to be one of the most challenging, humbling, compromising, difficult, and demeaning jobs there is. Any man who dares to take it up, not only deserves our support and prayers, but also deserves a free lifetime supply of girl scout cookies.
     
  5. Daniel David

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    Except of course for those awful lemon ones. Can anyone give testimony to actually stomaching those things? [​IMG]
     
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    What a great question. If a christian HAS to compromise, should he desire the office of president ?
     
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  8. Daniel David

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    Respecting someone's beliefs and taking part in them are not always the same thing. He has taken part in them. That is a serious issue.

    Jesus said that if you deny him before men, he will deny you before his Father and holy angels.

    If you take part in a celebration of the Islamic God, you are not a true believer. That is the equivalent of denying Christ before men, president or not.
     
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    The office of President isn't a religious office.

    It must be very difficult to be in such a public position and have people critisize and critique your every move.

    I believe it says in the Bible to honor those who have rule over you. Or does it say respect? Maybe you might remember the verse and site it here. I never did understand people who ridicule and critisize those in authority, who do a job they are not willing or qualified to do themselves. Maybe it's easier than actually doing something...talking about how others aren't doing it right.

    In answer to the question...Yes he would be welcome in my church. Admittance to the house of God is not private membership, all are welcome ... the doors are not barred against anyone who would wish to come in...certainly admittance should not be based on what others think of them...if that were the case...I doubt anyone would be "good enough" to attend. We are all sinners...all out righteousness is as dirty rags...there are none righteous, no not one...the ground is level at the cross.

    I'm greatful for a president that prays openly. I hadn't personally seen that in a long time. If he was a Pastor...I might consider the things you sited as being worth being concerned about...but since it is not... his personal beliefs are between God and him...not me and you.
     
  10. Daniel David

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    1. Granted. However, many "christians" want to lift him up as some great Christian. I am using Scripture to examine his belief and actions. That is a perfectly valid thing to do.

    2. I could not even begin to imagine how difficult it is.

    3. I do honor and respect the man. I agree with alot of his political decisions. Again, I am simply examining his beliefs and practices with the Word.

    4. So, your church has not restrictions on membership? The person doesn't have to be a baptist? He doesn't have to be baptized first?

    I am not talking about someone walking in. I am talking about membership. Surely your church does require that members at least profess Christ, correct? I think you might have misunderstood my question. Perhaps I might have phrased it poorly.

    5. My point would also include this. If he isn't a true believer, his prayers (open or otherwise) are an abomination before God. Therefore, I examine his beliefs and actions with the Word.
     
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    Except of course for those awful lemon ones. Can anyone give testimony to actually stomaching those things? [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]I was actually thinking thin mints. May the WHite House be blessed with a fridge full [​IMG]
     
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    Your right Superman, I read your post wrong... I thought it said "would he be welcome: at my church... sorry... membership does have a criteria.

    As to the Girl Scout Cookies... I like those coconut ones... I forget what they are called...but my daughter is a Brownie Girl Scout...so I guess I'll not be ignorant of their "cutesy" name for too much longer. ;)
     
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    In what way?

    To borrow a line from Willie the Zipper, I guess it all depends on what your definition of "celebrate" is.

    You still haven't demonstrated what he did. Maybe you should do that before leveling such serious charges.
     
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    I think it's possible, and preferred, that, when an outsider is among persons of a different belief, one should pay the proper respects.

    For example, if you have dinner at a Buddhist home for example, and they offer prayers before a meal, it would be most appropriate for a Christian guest to bow his head in courtesy while prayers are given by the others. Doing so does not, to me, in any way cause you to submit yourself to anything different from one's own beliefs. It's a matter of courtesy. Likewise, if a non-Christian is at my home, I would expect them to bow their heads in respect while the rest of us give thanks before a meal, and would not think that such respect paid in my home would be me forcing my beliefs on someone (nor would me forcing my beliefs on someone be appropriate).

    Otherwise, if such an action is "denying Christ before men", that means that if we pray even with Jews, we're denying Christ before men, since they don't subscribe to the messianic Jesus. But I don't think this is the case.

    [ January 03, 2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
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    Should we be questioning another's salvation? Isn't that between a person and the Lord (II Cor. 13:5, Phil. 2:12)?

    Just because he doesn't do what I would do does not mean that he is not saved. I would leave that between him and the Lord.

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    Now that is a good point John. Was he being polite...that's kind of what I assumed by what was originally posted... many presidents have shown this kind of respect for other cultures and beliefs. To do otherwise could cause all kinds of problems between countries I'm sure. I wonder if what you have stated was contrary to his personal beliefs...or were more probably a sign of respect and deference for a diverse culture to his own. This is a tough call...kind of reminds me of Daniel in one way...and Joseph in another.

    [ January 03, 2003, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]
     
  17. Johnv

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    Should we be questioning another's salvation?

    Personally, no. But even if we could, we need not in this case, since GW Bush has stated publicly that he had made a decision to "commit my heart to Jesus Christ".
     
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    Should we be questioning another's salvation?

    Only God knows a person's heart. We can, and are supposed to be, according to the Word, "fruit inspectors."

    And there will be those who say, "Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in Your Name, didn't we ______ in Your Name?" To which the Lord says, "Sorry, I never knew you."

    Ah, yes, people have been known to talk the talk but don't walk the walk. It happens every day.

    They may know about the Book, but they don't know the Author. :(

    Both of my eyebrows are raised on this question, BTW, the more I find out (nearly every week). :(

    Regardless, he is only in the most powerful position on the planet because it is ordained that he be by God's hand. For now.
     
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    Great point John, I am glad that you and I can agree on something.
    [​IMG] Murph
     
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    (John bows low, doffing his hat) [​IMG]
     

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