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Is Grace Conditional?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by TCGreek, Aug 20, 2007.

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  1. TCGreek

    TCGreek New Member

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    1. Upon receiving the Spirit, believers where baptized in water to seal their commitment to Christ.

    2. Those believers identified with Christ death, burial and resurrection in baptism.
     
    #41 TCGreek, Aug 29, 2007
  2. Amy.G

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    What do you mean by "seal their commitment to Christ"?

    Were they not committed until they were dunked?
     
    #42 Amy.G, Aug 29, 2007
  3. TCGreek

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    1. Other may beg to differ with me, but when I read the book of Acts, immediately every believer was baptized.

    2. Water baptism was commanded by Jesus as the first step of discipleship (Matt. 28:18-20). How can we demonstrate our total commitment to Him and not be baptized in obedience to Him?
     
    #43 TCGreek, Aug 29, 2007
  4. Amy.G

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    I see what you mean. I was baptized a few months after I was saved and I don't remember doing it out of a sense of obedience, but I felt compelled to do it. I suppose it was obedience though. I just may not have understood that at the time. I had a rough time after I was saved. I had no one to disciple me and I was attending a charasmatic church that "messed with my head". I changed to the Baptist church and that's where I was baptized. I've been a Baptist ever since.
    I believe that water baptism is a symbol of our committment to Christ, but the real baptism is of the Holy Spirit. (not in the charasmatic way)
     
    #44 Amy.G, Aug 29, 2007
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    Think about it, TC ---- Grace was certainly conditional upon Noah building the ark ... else he wouldn't have been saved, now would he?

    skypair
     
    #45 skypair, Aug 30, 2007
  6. gerald285

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    Grace is conditional! On the condition that the person repent and come to faith they receive grace unto salvation.
     
    #46 gerald285, Aug 30, 2007
  7. TCGreek

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    1.The Bible nowhere says that grace was conditioned upon Noah building the Ark.

    2. A conditioned-grace is no grace at all. If grace is something we cannot earn by either what we do or what is in us, how can it be conditioned?
     
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  8. gerald285

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    Are you suggesting that men are saved without repenting and coming to faith?

     
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  9. TCGreek

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    Are you suggesting that to repent and believe make grace conditional?
     
    #49 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
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    You did not answer MY question.

     
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  11. TCGreek

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    I cannot answer a question that is internally inconsistent.
     
    #51 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
  12. TCGreek

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    Besides, I have answered your question with a question, which is permissible, contrary to the adage, "You don't answer a question with a question."
     
    #52 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
  13. gerald285

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    I stand on what i said. Grace IS conditional!
     
    #53 gerald285, Aug 30, 2007
  14. TCGreek

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    Then my friend, you will have to stand alone.
     
    #54 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
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    No I stand with the Lord. You are alone. He calls for repentance and faith for grace to be given.



     
    #55 gerald285, Aug 30, 2007
  16. TCGreek

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    If you stand with the Lord, then you should be able to show Scripture to support that position.
     
    #56 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
  17. gerald285

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    You first. Then I will give the scripture.

     
    #57 gerald285, Aug 30, 2007
  18. TCGreek

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    1. If you're in for a meaningful debate, then I'll oblige you.

    2. Acts 18:27 says, "When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed" Acts 18:27 (ESV, emphasis mine). A perfect example of grace preceding faith. "Through grace" is instrumental to their faith.
     
    #58 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
  19. gerald285

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    That is ridicules! The passage not suggesting that they were given grace before they were saved or before they came too faith.

    Look at scripture.
    Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

    The faith must come first, not after.

    Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

    A condition for grace Repent.

    Grace has conditions. They are repentance and faith. No repentance and faith and no grace

     
    #59 gerald285, Aug 30, 2007
  20. TCGreek

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    We have both made our points. God bless.
     
    #60 TCGreek, Aug 30, 2007
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