Is Grace Irresistible?

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  1. tyndale1946

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    Before we delve into the subject Is Grace Irresistible?.. Some ground work has to be laid... And Paul in his letter to the Ephesians brethren does just According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, he predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, this was To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved... In which Paul reminds us... In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; and because of all this this is where we stand... In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:..That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

    1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

    1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.


    Building upon the foundation that Paul has laid the second chapter of the Ephesian letter starts with because of all this this is what follows and the condition we were in when it did!

    2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


    If you had anything to do with your Salvation is could not be Irresistible Grace... Your are saved through faith... Not your Faith but the Faith of Jesus Christ and how could you work it out when you were dead in trespasses and in sin... Notice also that the saved by grace is in parentheses...(by grace ye are saved)... pointing out btw this is important... You had nothing to do with it you were passive... Now I know someone is going to point out What about working out your own Salvation with fear and trembling for it is God that worketh in you both the will and the to do according to his own good pleasure... Question... Do you work to get it or work because you already have it?... Your Comments!... Brother Glen
     
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  2. Iconoclast

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    Grace can be resisted.

    Irresistible grace is not ultimately resisted....
    Because God makes it effectual to every single elect sinner .
    That is why it is called irresistible.
     
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    So where does it say exactly that we are saved through the faith of Jesus Christ?
     
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    Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2

    3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
    22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Ro 3

    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
    20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Gal 2

    But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Gal 3:22

    And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Phil 3:9

    Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:8
     
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    I am not on this board to twist anyone's arm to tell them to believe as I do... Just to post as I see scripture and understand it and those who want to disagree may... We are saved through the faith of Jesus Christ!... To me and other brothers and sister on here this is a biblical fact... Our Faith is not in us but in Jesus Christ who for the joy that was set before him endured a cross, despising the shame, and is now set down at the right hand of the throne of God... And in the future shall deliver up those that the Father has given him... You see your Salvation as a possibility there is something you have to do to maintain it... I see mine and others like mine as a surety! Its already been accomplished in the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ... When I say Christ is my all in all he is because there is nothing I could or could have done to deserved his irresistible grace!... Brother Glen
     
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    WINNER!!!!
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  7. tyndale1946

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    What we clearly have here is SovereignGrace doing the Redemption Twist... amen!... Amen... AMEN!... Look at that Brother GET DOWN!... Brother GlenRoflmao
     
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    It doesn't change the fact that 'sola fide' is not biblical. It's totally a man made term, and, not biblical.
     
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    Remember, sola fide does not stand alone. It is accompanied by the other "solas."

    Sola scriptura
    Sola gratia
    Solus Christus
    Soli Deo gloria

    :)
     
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    Bear in mind that virtually all of bible believing Christendom accepts sola fide with the exception of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and some in the Stone Campbell Restoration Movement (Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, etc.).

    The vast majority of Christendom accepts sola fide in the context of the other solas.

    It seems clear that sola fide is biblical. We are saved by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone, for the Glory of God alone. We know this through the scriptures alone.

    The problem is that some fail to discerning how salvation comes to the lost sinner. Through the means of Gospel Preaching (sola scriptura) faith (sola fide) is imparted to the unbeliever creating the conduit through which grace (sola gratia) is imparted to the sinner with forgiveness purchased by the sacrifice of Christ (solus Christus) for the glory of God alone (soli Deo gloria).

    I asked one of our deacons how he watered the lawn. He said "with the hose." Of course he meant the hose was the conduit through which the water flowed from the source (the faucet) to the need (the grass). Just as faith is the conduit through which the grace flows from the source (God) to the need (our sin sick souls).

    Unless, of course, you are a Campbellite, then you deny sola fide and insist on your own good works of baptism and faithfulness to the Campbellite "church" for your eventual salvation. :)
     
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    I always wonder about those people Jesus called, during his life and ministry, that didn't follow.

    If Jesus' personal call wasn't irresistible, how then is the Holy Spirit's call irresistible?
     
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    I asked a civil and reasonable question. I had hoped for a particular passage of scripture that showed what you have claimed. Since that did not occur I can only deduce that the answer I was looking for from you is not available.
     
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    Please tell us which translation you are quoting from, for each verse. Thank you.

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.
     
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    From the opening post I told everyone where I stand... Some agree in a positive way and support what I posted and some do not... Some supported my stand by other scriptures which I also support and others did not which I don't support... You need to re-evaluate the question you didn't think I answered... It has been answered!... You just question the answer!... Brother Glen
     
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    Never mind, I see it is the KJV. No other popular translation uses the phrasing "the faith of Jesus Christ" in Galatians 2 or "the faith of God" in Romans 3.
     
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    Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
    1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
    ( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
    2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
    ( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )
    3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
    ( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )
    4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
    ( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )
     
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    Not to stray too far, but I don't understand how John 3:3,5,6, and 3:8 supports the conclusion that elect infants exist, much less that they are regenerated. Not that I have a firm conclusion on children who die in infancy (I have an opinion, but not one I'm willing to dogmatically defend), but simply that I don't understand how the referenced passage supports the conclusion.

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    Hello JonC,

    It is very simple. In fact it is the only correct biblical response.

    1]supports the conclusion that elect infants exist,
    This is deal with infants dying in infancy.
    The statement now speaks of "elect infants" dying in Infancy....
    This leaves all infants in Jesus hands who die infancy....
    a] If all such infants are elected God.... All will be saved by the unseen sovereign working of God the Holy Spirit.

    b] If no infants who die are elected they will not saved....as all sinned died in Adam.
    so if your idea was true...no one would be saved

    c] those not elected by God are not going to be saved....in infancy, or in age...no such person exists.

    2]much less that they are regenerated.

    Those elected will all be regenerated....God is not willing that any perish....He has decreed, destined , and purposed to save all He intends to save...not one will be lost.
     
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    I believe, as did Charles Spurgeon, that all those who die in infancy are numbered among God's elect. :)
     
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    Hey, Iconoclast,

    Thanks for the quick reply. I agree that the elect will be composed of only those regenerated (and all of those regenerated). I see what you are saying, but I just don't see the application in the passage towards infants.

    Sorry again for the inturruption and thanks for the explanation.
     

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