Is It Homophobia, or Knowing His Truth?

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Is it a sin, or is it homophobia?

  1. I'm not homophobic, just a believer in what the Bible says is a sin.

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  2. It's homophobic to make a stand against homosexuality.

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  3. I'm still not sure.

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  1. righteousdude2

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    I am sick of being accused of being a "homophobe" because I see it as a sin.

    So, what about you? Are you homophobic, or just a believer [in what God has determined to be a sin]?
     
  2. Arbo

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    Some groups/people will always accuse those who do not agree with them of hatred and fear. That won't change unless their lifestyles are accepted as normal and embraced, which would be a compromise of Scriptural principle.

    So it comes down to a choice between the condemnation of man or the displeasure of God.
     
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    The hatemongers are more to be found on the side of those promoting such sins. I like what John Piper has to say on the subject:

    Therefore, it would contradict love and contradict the gospel of Jesus to approve homosexual practice, whether by silence, or by endorsing so-called same-sex marriage, or by affirming the Christian ordination of practicing homosexuals.

    We must not be intimidated here. The world is going to say the opposite of what is true here. So you need to be ready for this if you haven't experienced it already. They are going to say that warning people who practice homosexual intercourse about final judgment is hateful. That's what they are going to say. It is not hateful.

    Hate does not want people to be saved. Hate does not want people to join the family. Hate wants to destroy. And sin does destroy. If homosexual practice (and greed and idolatry and reviling and drunkenness) leads to exclusion from the kingdom of God, then love warns. Love pleads. Love comes alongside and does everything it can to see that this person live — forever. That's what love does.

    (from http://bit.ly/LcSQ2L)
     
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    I think it would depend on who was doing the judging. From a homosexual's perspective anyone who does not receive their lifestyle as acceptable is a homophobic whether they base the rejection on religious grounds or personal ones. So to them that would make me or anyone who does not receive their lifestyle as acceptable, even if only to them, a homophobic.
    So based on that according to the homosexual agenda I have always been a homophobic even before saved. The only difference now is the reason I now hold it is wrong.
    The idea that we can separate the sin from the sinner is simply foolish and not biblical as there is no sin without the sinner and all sin is a personal choice. Also to suggest that we can hold a biblical position about sin and not discriminate is also foolish and not biblical. I would agree that we do not need to be and should not be unkind to a sinner, but being kind to them does not mean we do not express the truth and openly stand for righteousness as well as stand against them and their sin. We are not to be the friend of the world. It is not us who has to change to their way of thinking, but them who has to change to God's way of thinking.
    So if someone wants to brand me homophobic that is fine as long as I am in agreement with my Lord on the issue. If we love with the love of Christ we are calling them out of their sin to a lfe of righteousness, not coming along side stroking them into a false sense of security.
     
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  5. Jerome

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    In this Huffington Post piece, a prominent Baptist scholar claims that:

    "We've lied about the nature of homosexuality and have practiced what can only be described as a form of homophobia"

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    "sexual orientation is a deep inner struggle and not merely a matter of choice"
     
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    Now if he would just become a biblical scholar he would be on the right track.
     
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    The problem lies not in calling out the sin, but rather in the weight we put on the sin. ALL sin is abomination in God's eyes and he can not be in the presence of sin, hence why those not redeemed will never see Heaven. I am not one who puts extra weight on the sin of sodomy...no more than the sin of lying, stealing, speeding, or any other sin. I teach all are equally bad in God's eyes. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Depends on just what you say when you talk about this topic!

    IF one states that the gay lifestyle is NOT according to the plan and will of God, that it is destructive and violates very nature of mankind...

    but also adds that the death of jesus is the means for God to freely forgive/restore and enable such a person to overcome that behaviour, that is just speaking 'biblical"

    IF one sttitude though is that God hates them, period, and that they deserve to get judged/punished, go to hell...

    THAT would be a sin!

    All depends if the Cross of christ is in there or not!
     
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    Then you would be teaching error. If all sin was equal then there would not be different punishments spelled out for different sins. Murder, homosexuality, adultery all brought the death penalty. Others had lessor consequences and the same in eternal judgment. The bible clearly teaches that all sin is not the same. True, All sinners who do not repent and come to faith will end up in hell, but not all will suffer at the same degree; Read Luke 12:37,38.
    Listen to the words of the Lord;
    John 19:11
    Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

    Also not all sins are literally spelled out as abominations in scripture, but homosexuality is. Speeding is not equally sinful as murder or homosexuality and to hold such is simply deception of the worst kind and it is worse to teach it. It is wrong to say all sins are equal as they are not according to the bible. Some sins are greater (more sinful) then others.
    Paul even admits it when he said he was chief among sinners. The reason he was chief was because of the type of sin he had done. Blasphemy of the Spirit is the greatest sin of all and cannot be forgiven so no all sin is not equal.
     
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    A "phobia" is a fear. Not approving of one's lifestyle does not make you homophobic.

    If we don't approve of one doing meth does that make us meth-phobic?

    These folks are demanding they be accepted and approved by all but then demand special recognition. An oxy-moron?

    I would think these folks want approval from the rest of us so as to ease their conscience making them more comfortable with their ways.
     
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    I think it's hilarious that folks will call you a homophobe or homophobic. Are they heterophobes?Who is scared of homosexuals? :laugh:

    I tell people that I'd rather be a homophobe than an anti-Christ.
     
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    AMEN! This is just such an easy issue. The world wants to endorse sin. The Christian is to align himself with GOD. So called "civil rights" (which same sex "marriage" is not") do not supersede God's commands.

    And if it does, then the person who says it does has made that into an idol that he's placed before GOD.
     
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    Somebody needs to explain to the prominent Baptist scholar that God's word does NOT speak to an orientation as sinful. It speaks to the performing of certain ACTS by people as sinful.

    SO whether or not sexual orientation is a deep inner struggle is irrelevant. The individual DECIDES to disobey God and perform acts that He says to not perform.
     
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    Yes and no. Perhaps we wouldn't have to put so much emphasis on that sin if there were not such a mass effort to deny that performing homosexual acts is not a sin.:thumbs:
     
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    did that 'scholar' goe to same schools that produced other 'biblical scholars" such as those in the jesus Seminar, and Robb bell?
     
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    I definitely believe it is a sin and also it is acquired and developed, not inherited as expoused by 90% of professionals today, 60 years ago this percentage was reversed.
    However I do not go around with a flag in my navel and a sign critical of these people. In 50 years of business two of my most loyal and efficient employees were homosexual. (I resent the word gay as this is a perfectly good word ruined by this application). Is sin like any other immoral act.
     
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    This is true.
     
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    From the point of view of Heaven, yes. There is only good and evil, whole and corrupt. On earth, this is not true. According to the law, various sins exacted various degrees of punishment.

    Sodomy is indeed a worse sin than lying, stealing--and most definitely speeding. It is the apex of lawlessness.
     
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    Sexual orientation is not a sin. Homosexual sex acts ARE.:thumbs: There is no bigger struggle for the homosexual to not perform fornicative acts than there is for heterosexuals to not perform fornicative acts.
     
  20. Aaron

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    Yes, it is, if it is unnatural or inordinate. Sin is more than what one chooses to do. It is what one is.
     
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