Is it legal or even morally right?

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  1. abcgrad94

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    Is it legal or morally right for Bible colleges to ask prospective students highly invasive questions regarding their mental, physical, and sexual health? Should they be asking this information from people providing references for said students? Do these forms seem reasonable and generally acceptable for most Bible colleges? My oldest is checking out colleges right now, and I'd like to know if these questions are "normal." (And NO, this is not a college she will attend.)

    http://www.commonwealthbaptist.org/images/files/Medical History.pdf
    http://www.commonwealthbaptist.org/images/files/Personal Reference.pdf
     
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    I was never asked those questions.
     
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    I haven't filled out an application lately but I see no problem! These are the type of questions asked on many if not all job applications. they would have been asked on application for health insurance prior to Obamacare.
     
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    I see no reason to think it would be illegal. As to moral again I see no moral issue violated. However it is none of their business so with that I would decline their college. I would also write the dean and tell hium/her why my child would not be attending.
     
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    It is not normal.

    Absolutely not. Why would "references" even know this info.
     
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    I do not see a problem!
    The school wants to make sure they are getting students with high moral values, something lacking in many youths today.

    Would you want you son or daughter to share a room with an individual who has bought "mens" magazines, wears sleazy clothes, sneaks a smoke or a alcohol, ect, ect....

    This is not to say, just because a teen took a smoke once at age 15, would forever be banned from a Bible college, but they are looking at the total man - which could include a changed life after salvation.
     
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    Not illegal but very invasive and even creepy. I wouldn't give them the time of day. She's applying for college, not life or health insurance. Good luck to her
     
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    That sounds very cultish
     
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    I was a horrible drug and sex addict until I got saved at age 19. I now am 22 and in Bible college training for full time ministry.

    I'm sure glad you aren't the one who does admissions for my school.

    In regards to the questions...

    Just don't answer the questions and say you want privacy.
     
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    So a school should require a girl to give:
    her gynecological history
    reveal any STD's
    reveal any previous pregnancies
    list any disabilities or handicaps

    Say a girl was date raped and suffered a STD or pregnancy as a result. Why should she need to give out that info to a Bible college? They are providing a Bible education, not healthcare.

    Why would they ask a reference if the applicant had any disabilities or handicaps? Especially if they already asked the applicant the same question?

    Also, employees are not required to put height and weight on their resumes anymore, unless it has a direct bearing on their type of job.
     
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    I agree. Creepy, cultish, and as far as legal, the area that seems the most "grey" would be the "handicap or disability" question. I don't have a law background, but would be interested in hearing an opinion from someone who does.
     
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    Hmm - I thought it was going to be way worse than that. I have to fill out similar forms to work for the camp that I work for. The one form is a medical form because it's important for the college to have a basic history on you to know if you were suddenly found you ill, they could properly care for you.

    As for the reference form, I think it's fine.

    I though they were asking questions like "Have you fornicated in the last 2 years?" "Do you watch p0rn?" But it's not that bad. :)
     
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    I agree. I thought the forms were innocuous compared to the theme of the OP!
     
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    Mho

    I looked over these form, and really saw nothing that out of place or uncommon! Health questions are essential, especially for a young person living on campus!

    Were these invasive? I don't believe they are. However, if you or your daughter believe they have crossed the line, then the neat thing about living in this nation is the right to not attend their school!

    Thanks for asking! I hope all of together, give you what you are looking for! And may your daughters college experience be the best ever!
     
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    Isn't this the "Blackface" church's Bible college? :BangHead:

    I found the whole thing a formal ruse at digging up dirt on people. Yes, a school should know the health issues of its students, but asking for that much information startled me.

    Why not just ask for a listing of health problems that they would have to know about in order to offer assistance when needed. Have the student and/or family meet with the school nurse or physician and go over a health plan of action.

    If you have a heart malfunction, the school does need to know that, but why do they have to know the status of your liver?

    Too much information required.

    And just what are they looking for under the question about "gynecological status"? How is one supposed to answer that?
     
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    Because no one fills in all of the info unless they are prompted.

    But this is no different from the forms I've had to fill in for two private, secular colleges (Adelphi University and St. Joseph's College, both on Long Island) and I'm sure my daughter will be filling in similar forms for her doctorate studies in a few weeks.
     
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    Kinda reminds me of the questions we had to answer for seminary. If they are a state or federally funded school, I would imagine that they can't ask certain questions. If they receive no federal funding and are basically a private institution, they can ask whatever they want. The people who want to attend will answer the questions. The ones who don't won't and will move on.
     
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    Freedom of association must necessarily include freedom from association. If a prospective seminarian wishes to associate with a those of a certain belief system, it is only reasonable that the arbiters of that belief system accept them because they are in accordance with it, or reject them because they are disharmonious. It's an unpopular view these days, and one that is wholly unlikely to witness a resurgence, but I applaud those who nonetheless adhere to it.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with this thread.
     

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