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Is it possible?? Matt. 25

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Frogman, Oct 10, 2002.

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  1. Frogman

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    Brothers and Sisters,

    From the topic: Second Coming/Secret Rapture, I wonder:

    Is it possible Matt. 25 is speaking of bride's maids and not the bride?

    What are your thoughts?

    God bless you all in your walk and service to Him.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #1 Frogman, Oct 10, 2002
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    One way to discern WHO is being talked about is to view the entire context. Much of Matt 25 et al are dealing with "professing" christians who are not really born again/elect.

    Jesus said "I never knew you." Quite possibly the first parable in Matt 25 is focused on this distinction between the true Bride and the false professing christians so prevalent in the world today.
     
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    That sounds good when you hear it Dr. Bob;

    However, vs. 8 says: "...for our lamps are gone out."

    If the oil is representative of the Holy Spirit, the lamps of the believer/individual, and the light of the "light of men" or the indwelling of the Spirit; then to say these vessels had this "oil," (the Holy Spirit), they had the "flame" burning; but are "gone" out now, would suggest salvation gained may be lost.

    I could believe the five wise are of the bride, who would be "doctrinally" sound; but the five foolish those departing from sound doctrine; thus not of the bride.

    My pastor initiated my thought towards this group being of the bride's maids. He did not elaborate, however, and did not respond satisfactorily to my questioning, so I gather he doesn't want to "influence" my belief; He seems to believe all ten of these are not representative of the bride.

    I admit I must engage in more study of this.

    Thanks for your comment.

    God Bless you in your walk and service to him.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #3 Frogman, Oct 10, 2002
  4. BrianT

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    Why does the oil represent the Holy Spirit? I've never understood this. Instead, I think it's simply a literally device to show the foolish virgins were not prepared.
     
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    Just as a memory refresher, I checked the koine and the phrase "gone out" in Matthew 25:8 is actually present tense in the original.

    "are going out".

    It is also the same word (sbennumi) as used in

    1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench (sbennumi) not the Spirit.

    If it matters.

    HankD
     
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    I believe this is significant. This shows a quenching of the Spirit and corresponds I believe with the warning to the church of Ephesus in Rev. 2.5. Showing those at Matt. 25 to be as quenching the Spirit.

    The oil is used figuratively as the Spirit, as it represents anointing. Such as when David was annointed King etc. We are anointed with the Spirit individually to equip us for our calling.

    God bless you all in your walk and service to Him.
    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Yes, the lamps were "quenched". But just because the word is used in 1 Thess 5:19 does not mean the same thing is being quenched. In Matt 12:20, smoking flax is quenched. In Eph 6:16, the fiery darts of the devil are quenched. In Heb 11:34, literal fire is quenched. This is simply a verb.
     
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    According to the usage, it seems to be a significant verb to me.

    If I quench the Spirit, this is also rebellion.

    God Bless you in your walk and service to Him.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #8 Frogman, Oct 11, 2002
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