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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by SaggyWoman, Mar 13, 2010.
for any of the following?
All the elect will go to heaven. I cannot speak for the various religions and philosophies. Hence, I could not answer the poll.
The question asked: "for a Catholic to go to heaven?"
The answer is yes, but most will not.
Same principal for most of the other.
ANYONE can go to heaven if they come God's way and not their own.
Unfortunately, most will not do it God's way and insist on doing it their own way.
Some of the categories I could say "Yes, they can - if they trust in Jesus Christ for salvation". However, if someone continues to follow a belief system that is antithetical to the Bible, they cannot. Additionally, anyone who continues in wonton sin cannot go to heaven because they are not truly saved even if they "raised their hand and walked forward". Yes, a homosexual can go to heaven but if they continue to live in that lifestyle with the heart attitude that it is right and blessed, then there is something wrong with their heart - it is still dead. Same with some of the other categories.
So, what is the way of salvation? To some, it is obviously work-related. To some it is philosophical. I better be careful about fundamentalism. Also. some had better be careful with modernism, including the use of religious films, which some deem sinful.
Some have gone beyond the "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved..."
It is not possible for someone who holds to the JW, Mormon, and Scientology beliefs to go to heaven and I'm surprised 2 voted yes for those.
It is only possible if they trust in the true Jesus - the JW Jesus is not God and the Mormon Jesus isn't either - they are both false Christs. The Mormon god is also not the Biblical God, and the way these 2 churches teach salvation is also not biblical.
Scientology doesn't even teach about a God - there is sort of a supreme being but it's very nebulous. I wonder if the 2 who voted yes on Scientology even know what Scientology teaches and believes.
This is really disturbing.
It's not possible for God's grace to save someone who has been deceived by these groups? The Spirit is not bound by the membership rolls of these organizations.
I happen to know someone who came to faith in Christ (the true Christ) in Mormonism. Eventually he found his way out over the course of several years as he studied the Bible for himself. I also know a couple who were JWs and studied the scriptures (NASB) in secret for several years and were converted. Eventually they left too.
I do. (I was one of the two.)
I just believe that God is greater than the hold of Scientology. Persons can be converted within those organizations and it may take years for them to find their way out. They will not be happy within the structure of the cult, but may remain for a long time because of the pressures of the group.
You are making false assumptions.
The question asked, "Is it possible...", not whether or not these groups are Christian, or nominally Christian.
Yes, it is possible. Most of these groups don't point toward Christ, but that's another matter.
The question is not is it possible for a Mormon or JW to be saved, but about a Mormon or JW going to heaven. I take that to mean that a person holding to those beliefs - can they go to heaven with those beliefs? No, because they don't have saving faith and they don't have the gospel.
But they became Christians despite those beliefs and because they were saved out of those beliefs.
This is not about who can be converted!! I was an astrologer into Buddhism and reincarnation who was saved. That was not the question!
And you took it to mean is it possible for someone from these groups to be saved. I took it to mean if someone is Mormon, etc. holding to those beliefs, are they saved. The question if they can be saved seems silly - God can save anyone. So I did not take the question that way. Can a Mormon go to heaven means (as I understood it) can someone holding those beliefs go to heaven as a Mormon? My answer is no, not if they holding to Mormon beliefs. Then they are not saved.
Saggy, as you can see people too this question different ways. See my post above.
Are you asking if someone holding to Mormon, JW, etc. beliefs can go to heaven with those beliefs, or can someone in those groups be saved out of them?
I took it the first way.
That's why I put in my post as I did. I needed to clarify because the questions couldn't be answered in a straight forward way.
Certainly if any of the above "change their beliefs" and follow Christ, then salvation comes.
But, will there be any Catholics in heaven? Will there be any homosexuals in heaven? That is my question.
Is it possible to be homosexual and still go to heaven?
This could be a very controversial topic, and may be before this thread 'runs its course.'
I disagree with anyone who says a Mormon or JW-- or 'cultists' generally-- "cannot go to heaven" [be saved] because people are individuals, as is salvation. Does everyone believe everything their religious body teaches them? That answer is almost so obvious as to be embarrassing. And if they do believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and for whatever reason(s) do not leave such a group, that is either salvation by works or 'falling from grace,' or both.
That's all I have time to post for the present.
There won't be any Baptists either.
There will simply be friends of Jesus who are recipients of God's grace through Christ.
There won't be any heterosexuals (at least, in the sense we know it now) either.
There will simply be people who now have pure identity as male and female creations of God, living in harmonious relationship. I do not know if there are sexual relationships in our glorified bodies. Apparently there is no marriage relationship between human beings as we know it now (Matthew 22:30).
That begs the question, "What is a homosexual?"
Since that is nearly a forbidden topic here, let me give my viewpoint very succinctly and then state my position.
If you say a person who has feelings of attraction toward members of the same gender is a homosexual, then obviously, yes, there will be many homosexuals in heaven. In my opinion, just having feelings of sexual attraction is not sin, just temptation, but acting on those feelings is sin. (Just as a heterosexual may have feelings of sexual attraction to someone who is not his/her spouse. That is not sin. It is sinful when someone acts upon it, either in fantasy or in physical action.)
If you say a person is a homosexual who actively pursues homosexual acts, then the question is much trickier. At that point you would have to question whether or not that person is redeemed. It would be the same question you would have to ask regarding a heterosexual who was actively pursuing heterosexual relations with those who are not his/her spouse. Something is very wrong in their life. You would have to question whether or not that person is redeemed.
In any case, those who identify as hetero- or homosexual who pursue sexual immorality are certainly not living as disciples of Christ.
But that is not the question as it is put. It's not can a Mormon be saved? Or can someone who trusts in the real Christ but still in the Mormon church be saved - because then, they are not really a Mormon.
Can a Mormon/JW go to heaven implies: can a person still believing what a Mormon or JW does go to heaven? The answer is clearly no.
So what you were asking then was can someone who holds to Mormon or JW beliefs go to heaven? That is how I took it and answered it.
Re Catholics:I think there are saved Catholics so I think yes, those who are saved can go to heaven.
Re homosexual: We have 1 Cor. 6:9
I would think that this means practicing homosexuals. This also includes others who are sexually immoral. Also see Rev. 21:8 and 22:15.
I say, respectfully, that that is the way the question is put: "Is it possible for a [JW, Mormon,...] to go to heaven?" If such a person would be thrown out of their organization for having the beliefs they have, it may or may not be known to the 'authorities' which would eject them, so they might remain.
It seems that most Bible-believing Christians accept the idea there is not one single organization which exclusively is an implement of salvation, but are less accepting about the idea that a person must leave an organization which teaches bad/false doctrine.
And, respectfully, taking the meaning of the words: "is it possible for a Mormon/JW to go to heaven" this would imply, can a person who is Mormon or JW at the time of death, which in and of itself reasonably assumes the person is holding to those beliefs, go to heaven in that condition?
Otherwise, there is no point in asking the question. I don't think anyone here denies that someone who has trusted Christ is going to heaven. If they are still in the organization but have trusted Christ, they are, in effect, no longer a Mormon or JW, so the question is moot.
God can regenerate ANY person "in Christ Jesus" except those whom the Bible names as reprobate. Judas, for example.
The short answer: If they know Jesus as Savior, yes.
Like the old evangelist used to say, "If you ain't got Him, you ain't goin'."