Is it really SIN to be angry with God ?

RFW,

you are being unfair to them.....to say the least. They are not being mean-spirited, and they most certainly are not saying you should stuff your feelings away.

Emotions are not supposed to lead us. Emotions should not take over our lives. Frankly, you are coming across as pretty angry right now, I think you are taking what these others have said and are extrapolating a whole lot more out of it than they are intending.

I think we've answered your question, but you don't like the answer. There might be a time when one is angry at God and sins. Does that mean that God will not forgive the person? Of course not! God understands! But God's understanding does not make that any less of a sin.

Personally I think you should move on. I don't know why you keep after this, unless you are still needing some healing time yourself because of a trauma in your life.

I do not believe that anyone in this thread thought they were speaking to a personal tragedy of YOURS, they were merely answering a generic question about anger directed toward God.

Look, don't be afraid to admit that something is a sin. You know God forgives sin, and you can go to Him just as you always do and ask for that forgiveness and He freely offers it, already He waits. If you have gotten it taken care of already, than please stop beating yourself up with this thread. It is getting you nowhere but worked up.

Your pastor seems to be doing a good job helping you, and Im glad.

But please, don't lash out at us in this fashion, claiming that we would not be a comfort or aid to those who are hurting. That is unfair, especially when you introduced your question as a very generic, impersonal one....and now you seem to be making it personal to yourself.

 

If God loves you he will chasten you when he sees you are straying away, like the shepherd with his staff as he taps and sometimes has to tap pretty hard to make his sheep fall back in line.
We are not to question gods chastening. If we have a conscience we know why we're chastened. We should only confess where we were going astray and ask Gods forgiveness and get back in line.

 

I understand, RFW,

actually I don't remember hiding it at all. I remember asking God why, but I don't remember any anger directed towards Him. Thats just my own personal experience, though.

 

We are commanded to love God with all our heart mind and soul. Mt. 22:37

When one is angry with God are they not breaking this commandment? Are they not second guessing Him as well? Didn't God use several pages of Scripture to point this out to Job?

BTW, all OT saints were sinners. (1 John 1:8) So their occasional anger with God is not put forth in Scripture as an example for us to follow.

And is anger of any sort compatable with the fruits of the Spirit as explained in Gal. 5?

When one is angry they are walking in the flesh. Here is what the Scriptures say about anger, which is also describes as 'contention'.

"Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom." Prov. 13:10

Is not pride a sin?

"Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Ps. 119:65

Your pastor is right on this RFW. Ps. 51:10

 

RFW,

If you're unwilling to put off anger, at least put off the clamour.

 

I have not read this entire topic, maybe I should before responding.

however, I would say that many, if not most Christians resemble the friends of Job most of all in situations where their brothers and sisters are hurting.

I say this because of my own experiences which too are private.

For most Christians, if a person is tried it simply means they are sinning, or even not saved.

This attitude is incorrect.

Then for a person to be angry because of their suffering is not a sin; the person must take the time to come to an understanding of God's purpose in their suffering. Even then His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways and it is sometime difficult to see through to His purpose in such painful events.

Sadly, many are taught and do believe that once they believe on Jesus they will never again be unhappy, nor suffer pain as long as they live.

Just some of my thoughts on this topic stemming from my personal experiences.

Bro. Dallas

 

If she did nothing wrong and did not sin, what did she have to get right with God? Wasn't her anger understandable and justified? BTW, when Stephen was being stoned for Christ, what was his attitude? Paul? Look it up and tell me what the Bible says.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Being angry at God is never right nor righteous. It is a sin. You and your pastor are wrong and would do well to read the Bible sometime instead of catering to your emotional, carnal nature.

Joseph Botwinick

 

How would I respond? I am only guessing here, but I think it would go something like this:

1. I would do everything I could to find my son (regardless of his condition), and try to save his life if possible.

2. I would do everything I could to kill whoever did this to him. If I got my hands on him before the authorities, I would probably beat that person continuously until they were dead. I would bash his brains in. I would kick him mercilessly. I would do everything I could to inflict as much pain on this person as possible before I killed him.

3. I might even be angry at the perpetrator, and possibly even at God.

4. Response #1 is understandable, righteous and just.

5. Responses #2 and 3 are carnal and sinful.

Do you understand now?

Joseph Botwinick

 

1. You are most ignorant of me, my life story, and what I have or have not been through in my life.

2. You are very judgemental in your self righteous attitude that you are somehow more holy than I because of your life experience.

3. Your teaching is unBiblical and Blasphemous, regardless of how good it might make you feel.

4. You have not answered any of my questions. You have avoided them at all turns.

5. If you are angry at God about something, let me tell you that you have no good reason to be, your anger is not righteous, and you need to repent of your sin and rebellion.

6. I pray that God will open your heart to the truth of the Bible, and free you from your pride, arrogance, and anger.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Dear RFW,
I just now read your opening post.

Dear Joseph,
I do not wish to Butt heads with you. I am in agreement with your post regarding points 1, 2, 3, 4, and of what is and is not sin.

I strive daily to wait upon the Lord's time to reserve to Himself the manifestation of His Glory because HIS judgment alone is a righteous judgment and not mine to execute at any time.

All I can tell you is this, and if this offends you or makes you feel as if I believe I am thinking myself holier than you or any other I am sorry for that, but for what is in my heart, I cannot be sorry for, my experience has taught me to lean more on the hand of God and His Everlasting Love, Mercy and Grace and to lean on nothing else, especially my own strength.

Because of this, I would sincerely doubt that I am more righteous than you or any other, and I would dare to say without knowing the experiences of RFW, she feels likewise regarding herself.

None of us know how we will react until we are faced with certain things in our life. I can remember in my younger days imagining what I would do in certain scenarios.

I can assure you that not one of us know what we would do until we must endure certain things.

I hope and pray that very few of my Brothers and Sisters would ever have to face the kind of experience that I have, yet at the same time, for those that do, do not fall into the misguided teaching that you are always the sinner in these circumstances.

Have I been angry with God? Yes.

Am I still angry with God? No.

Did God cause the sin that was manifested in my particular experience? No.

Was this sin and experience against me or God? (See Ps. 51:4).

Did I and Do most take these experiences as being personal, that is sins against themselves? Yes.

Why? Because we are yet human.

Does this cause in some and not in all a period of anger toward God that is differing in length in each case? Yes, very often it does.

Is this sin as well? Yes, no doubt that it is. Why then do we experience these sufferings, and also this anger toward God? (See Deut. 8:1-18).

bro. Dallas

 

Originally posted by RFW:

Don't get me wrong when I first got saved I went through many trials as a new christian again more than most I was even almost raped and murdered, but my faith was strong and I looked to God all the way through each trial. One of the big differences was I had a new Christian FAMILY that supported me ALL the way. When I went through the 5 years of Hell, I had no one there for me,( actually just a few NONchristian friends, I have no real family, but my husband and kids ) even my own Husband didn't know what to do and he was part of the problem he had no back bone, to stand up for injustice. Anyway see the difference. I think it is amazing in itself I am still alive , still sain, still going to church and still know God loves me and has a plan for me.
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May God Bless you Dear Sister.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Bro. Dallas,

I agree it is sin to be angry at God. I also think you answered your last question with the first part of your quote above...because we are totally depraved humans, sinners saved by the grace of God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

You are probably misunderstanding your pastor because your posts make it appear that he has confused God with Santa Claus. And you are right—a whole lot of two-year-olds do get angry with Santa Claus. But God is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness—and those who are Christians know God personally and they KNOW that God is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness—and therefore it is NOT possible for them to question God or get angry with Him. Santa Claus, on the other hand, ….

</font>[/QUOTE]Some people just like to show off, not unlike most two year olds, is it? Who said God is not perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness?

Many saints have questioned God, many have been angry with God, these HAVE been instrumental BECAUSE of their EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCES to provide comfort to God's People.


Not the least is OUR GREAT HIGH PRIEST:

Santa Claus? I guess so, if you have a score to settle with him from the memory of your second Christmas experience, but really, he is not under discussion in this forum and would suit better in the other denominations forum.


Bro. Dallas