Is Paul more loving than God?

Then your sermons are very short. Folks must love it.

 

Skand, I gather from your posts that you are an educated man, but don't you see the plank in your own eye you when make these attacks on Calvinism (that have nothing to do with Scripture)? Your attack above could just as easily be turned around on Arminians - why are so few Asians (percentage-wise) Christian? Is it because White people are wiser and smarter than Asians?

Blah, Blah, Blah - we could go in circles on this.

I think you would be better served to keep your arguments against C based on the Scriptural evidence, and avoid these lines of arguments (which have been turned on your beliefs time and time again), because it becomes harder and harder for people to take you seriously.

The bottom line is Scripture - not your conjectures.

 

Paul says in I Tim. 1:15 that he is the foremost of all sinners. He doesn't say he used to be the foremost of all sinners. He says he is the foremost of all sinners.

Whatever the greatness of Paul's life as a Christian, he was a fallen man.

To question whether the love of Paul (or any other human being) is greater than the love of Almighty God (who is "Love"), is unseemly on it's face. It is unfair to Paul, and irreverent to God.

peace to youraying:

 

You assume that Scripture teaches that God loves all men in the sense that he wants to save them all. This is begging the question.

Scripture in context does not at all indicate that.

Do you suppose God ought to love the Devil?

 

No, Arminians don't escape the charge, no matter how much you protest that you do escape it. In Arminian theology, the bottom line hinge of salvation is based on man's response. If certain people groups haven't responded favorably to the Gospel (or the light that God gives beforehand re Romans 1 per Arminians), then it must be some inherent defect in that people group that has amounted to fewer Christians in that group.

Besides, your whole argument is silly to begin with - there are plenty of Asians who are Christians - in fact, millions. Have you heard about the growth of the church in China, for instance? You look at simple percentages, but that's just one way to slice the numbers so you can try to paint Calvinism in the worst possible light.

I am bored with your conjectures at this point. You do much better when you stick to Scriptural argumentation.

 

I suppose we need to dig deeper here. Question: Why is it that for centuries and centuries, certain people groups were never brought the Gospel (i.e., the dark corners of Africa, Asia, etc)? The typical Arminian answer is that those people who respond to God's light favorably will be given more light, so that the Gospel will be brought to them. Is that your view? Or maybe more fundamentally, what do you believe happens to someone who never hears the Gospel? Are they accountable for their sins?

 

Actually, if God didn't predestine her to be "elect" and hates her as He does Esau by withholding love from her, wouldn't any parent of those who end up in hell love their child more than God?

 

You are saying Skan is a "natural man"?!? You do realize questioning the salvation of others is a violation, right...or don't you care?

 

Oh, I agree with that understanding completely...just ask Luke He'll be shocked to know I'm not the only human throughout history to state exactly what you just did (what he accused me of on a thread devoted to this particular passage a couple months back).

Earth, Wind and Fire sided with Luke, though, and both of their interpretations were the natural men spoken of in that text were lost. Knowing that I called EWF on the carpet for him using it in describing you.

 

Ok, per the quote you provided, it said, "those who respond positively, God gives more knowledge—as He did to the Ethiopian eunuch and the Roman centurion, Cornelius (see Acts 8,10 ). Those who are lost will be judged according to their response to the spiritual light they have received ( Hebrews 4:12-13 )."

Therefore, since so "few" (I wouldn't call millions few, but you do) Asians are Christian, we can only surmise that (a) some of them have heard the Gospel and rejected it, or (b) the rest of them have never heard the Gospel, because they have not "responded positively" to the light God has given them. Therefore, the same essential charge can be laid at your feet: There are fewer Christians in Asia because they are not as smart or wise as whites, since there are far more white Christians (as a percentage of their group) than Asians.

Again, I'm not the one making this argument, since it is all conjecture, but it's the game you tried to play in your OP, a game with which you have failed in your attempt to malign the beliefs of your brothers in Christ.

 

But according to your quote, those who respond positively to God's revelation will receive more revelation. If they haven't received more revelation, then we can only conclude that they haven't responded positively to God's initial revelation - i.e., they aren't very smart.

Sorry, it still backfired on you. Again, I suggest you go back to Scripturally-based arguments and apologize for your attempt to unfairly malign the beliefs of your brothers in Christ.

 

Actually Scripture says nothing of intelligence, but loving the darkness more than the light.