Right off I guess I better make clear that I am not alluding to the ME controversy at ALL. I will not be side tracked onto that issue here. The reason for this post is, that, for some time I have wanted to see those who really study the Bible give their input on this one subject. These issues branch off into other topics so fast that most of the time a answer is never given. So, I would like to start by giving a Scripture that indicates to me that God does chastise by death when that is His Will. 1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. You that know the context of this Scripture know that Paul is rebuking the Church at Corinth for partaking of the Lord's communion as though it were a common dinner or get together. Some even being drunk etc. The latter part of the Scripture cited has been used much when talking about chastisement on the BB. But, if we keep the context of that Scripture, One of the ways that God according to the Apostle Paul chastises and keeps believers from being classed with the world is physical death. Notice verse 30. Three things are listed in context of God's Judgment on this Church for their behaviour. Here is the text, 1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 1st in the list of Judgments listed is weakness. This word can mean, "Infirm, sick, sickly, diseased", 2nd in the list is those who were sickly. This word can mean, "Infirm, sick, invalid", basically the same thing. These two Judgments were bodily. 3rd are those that "Sleep" this word means to die. So, in my opinion, if we keep the context, these Christians are exhorted to judge them selves to avoid being Judged of God. But if they did not, then they would be Judged to prevent them being condemned with the world. In other words, it sets Christians apart from unbelievers. We are not our own. And according to Hebrews 12, if there is no chastisement, then those who live with out it are not the children of God. So the question I have is, how do you guys and girls feel about this? Do you have Scripture that would indicate that this is not a fair interpretation of these verses? If so, I am open. Also contributing verses of support are wanted as well. Thanks!