Is Rapture the correct term?

Concerning all your posts combined:

And all the people said AMEN!!!!!!!

 

Since I was unable to read them...would you mind paraphrasing them to see if "all" the people say AMEN?

 

Oh, I have confidence in your reading skills.
The phrase I used is more of a colloquialism than anything. I'm sure the good Pastor will know what I meant, even if you do not.

But I would call your attention to a few sentences he wrote.

From the last post, #37, the last few sentences:
God bless have a good day enjoy biting and devouring if you must! Ga 5:13 ¶ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

I'm not much on paraphrasing such a seemingly learned man (this is the very first contact I have ever had with him); but after you have mused over what he said above in blue, then perhaps you might enjoy some of his meat.

 

I call it Escapism.

 

:laugh: That's good!

But tell me, is the intent positive or negitive?


BTW - It's nice to see you over here agian. Your posts have been missed :thumbs:

 

My eyes glazed over too, brother. If anybody did read the whole thing, tell me: is he for it or against it?

 

No, He is against it. Primarily though it is a rant on KJVO. However he believes, who like another religious conspiracy person that was either banned or stopped posting, stated Dispensationalism and all versions of the Bible except the AKJV, were brought about by Jesuit priests of the Roman Catholic church.
This obsurdity is only highlighted more so as he thinks this is the main premise of dispensational teaching -"The generally accepted belief of the Fundamentalist wing of popular Protestantism is I cannot wait for the rapture so I can escape the antichrist and get out of living any kind of sanctified life!".

He places Dispensational teaching at around the time of Jerusalems fall, citing as proof to this - 3 1/2 literal years of tribulation (bitter opposition and blapheme against the saits), during which time these things transpire - the temple being rebuilt, that anti-Christ being a literal person, one world belief system (in which christianity is outlawed). He is actaully talking about the Classic Pre-mil view which was stamped out, funny thing, by the "Alexandrian School". :laugh: (who was supposed to be part of the fall of the true bible). Not to mention Origen who the writter also states is one of the main characters in removing true christianity is also one of very few people (like 3 or 4) we know had a disenting view from Pre-mil during that time, for what is now known as the Covenant view. The Covenant view was popularized by Augustine but establish as the primary church doctrine via the Catholic Church to remove the churches previous pre-mil which was uncontexted for 300 years (a view that can be observed dating back and exclusive to the apostles via their students own writings).
Justin Martyr stated the orthodox view of the Church was what we call Classic Pre-mil.

All of the above is simply to say, not only is he wrong, but consistantly wrong.

It is also an apparent advertisement for him and his website as seen on this last page:

That is pretty much it in a 'nut' shell.

 

I also noticed he misspelled his own web address.

He wrote thebib(i)calview.com

It is actually thebib(l)icalview.com

 

Well, in all fairness he does ask at the end to please excuse his mispellings

 

Picky, picky, picky....:tongue3:

 

Based on Allan's understanding, I withhold my "amen"

 

Sometimes an "amen" is given when you just glad something is over.

 

Amen! I'm sure we'll both be saying that on our way up

 

Allan,

I've been busy blogging away.

My intent is all positive. Just another way of looking at the matter.

 

I cannot understand why some people make a big deal out of the name of an event. The teaching and not the name is what is important.

 

So, instead of using the term "rapture" we should use the word "translation". Do I agree with this? Let me consult my King James Rapture and I'll get back to you.

 

webdog, you gave me a good laugh, one of those "thanks I needed that".......

I never thought of it that way; but yes we will say a glorious AMEN to the old life!!!!!:thumbsup:

 

Agreed. The teaching and not the name is what is important. And the teaching that goes under that name is quite unbiblical - is contrary in fact to other parts of the Bible.

Just to name a few:
Nowhere in the Bible do we have a secret rapture, one that others are able to explain away as something else. That is, there is no mention in the Bible of Christians missing and others still being present.

There is no mention of a two-part coming, separated by seven years (or three and a half years).

There is no mention of a "Tribulation Period".

These are just for starters.

Yes, I would be very happy with the word "rapture" for His coming if it also meant getting back to what the Bible actually teaches about His coming.

 

You can't say it's "unbiblical", as it does have it's roots in Scripture. I may not agree with your eschatology, but I do believe your view is pulled from Scripture as well. It's quite hyperbolic to claim "unbiblical".

That would depend on your understanding of the Scripture in question. I also don't think it will be "secret". Hard to keep a worldwide secret involving millions and millions of people.

No mention of a two part first coming as well, but it happened (Christ's birth, death, returning to the Father, coming back to Earth on the third day)

You must not be reading the same Bible I do on that one

 

Not a single reference to "tribulation period". Positive on that. I checked.

And, yes, no mention at all of an interim period of years between coming1 and coming2.

But perhaps the biggest factor that turned me away from this theology was that it just had no answer for Christ's many promises to come to His own "soon", or "quickly". And that He told them at the time of the Transfiguration that some of them would still be alive when He came into His kingdom.