Is repentance a neccesary part of the gospel...no doubt about it!

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Recently some misguided posters suggested that there can be un-repentant sinners who can somehow come to Christ for salvation without repentance of all known sins. Paul indicates that is just not so.

    16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

    17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

    20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
    21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

    22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

    23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


    The main reasons for any contrary thought are most likely;

    1] wrong dispensational teaching

    2] antinomian tendencies

    3} poor study habits

    4]easy beliveism due to any combination of the above....

    What do you think is the main cause?
     
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    The main cause.... that is a hard question.

    Perhaps b/c "faith" has been the war-drum beaten so hard, that its full force has been lost. Biblical faith is being convinced of something to the point that it affects the way you live. This also applies to the full reality of Jesus identity... Savior... and Lord! If you believe Jesus is Lord... truly believe... then your actions will display it. That is repentance.

    I've been taught that faith and repentance are simply 2 sides of the same coin. Both are gifts of God, btw.
     
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    Hey Iconoclast...long time listener, first time caller :smilewinkgrin: (not really, it's just been awhile).

    I know the "debate" about repentance being a work, and I am on line with you there. I believe repentance is necessary and, as Greektim says, the other side of the faith coin. I am not sure that I agree with the "all known sins" part. It seems that if repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin, then repentance would not be from individual sins but from that self-righteous sin nature of which those individual sins are manifestations. I think that this repentance is much deeper than "all known sins," and is a repentance from (essentially) our own natural selves. In other words, we are not condemned because of our individual sins, but our individual sins are manifestations of our condemned status.
     
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    Hi Greektim,
    Spot on!!
     
  5. Iconoclast

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    all good post so far Tim I think that you're speaking of what happens in progressive sanctification John I think you are speaking more of what happens almost like Isaiah 6 where when he saw God's holiness she was completely undone and both are I think necessary and essential to a healthy Christian life
     
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    If I have heard it once, I have heard it 100 times, "we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners."

    We are sinners because we were made sinners. Now scripture says we all have also turned away, i.e. chosen to sin. I would say if a person dies at an early age, or lacks the mental capacity to make good versus evil choices, they are still sinners, even though they never had an opportunity to turn away.

    So if we step back and look at those who (1) were made sinners, and (2) had the opportunity to sin, and (3) turned away and volitionally sinned, then we have the target group needing repentance.

    Now we are not talking about works worthy of repentance, i.e. our striving to sin less once saved, but the repentance that comes as the other side of the faith coin prior to our faith being credited as righteousness by God. This coin has a "T" on both sides, "Turning" and "Trusting." You have to turn away from sinful self sufficiency and turn to God, trusting in Christ as Lord and Savior.

    Now I know Calvinism teaches this coin is inserted into the totally depraved, but others see this coin as the autonomous choice of fallen natural men.
     
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    :applause::applause:

    Well, Joel Osteen has his own station on Sirius, maybe we can get Icon to go on the air. I'd sign up.
     
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    You've lost your mind :laugh:
     
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    repentance IS a necessary part of the gospel leading to gospel salvation. Eternal salvation on the other hand is all of grace, all of mercy, and ALL OF GOD, ABSOLUTELY PASSIVE TO THE SINNER, a gift totally undeserved. Now, if on the other hand, you u say that repentance is a MUST for redemption to be realized, you have not only spat and peed on the most precious blood of God, you have also belittled His grace and scoffed at His mercy.
    So get off your high horse and truly worship the Sovereign God.
     
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    Millenial exclusionists who were on this board believed in two salvations and were banned.

    There is only one salvation.
     
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    I am not a millennial exclusionist.
    as for salvation I will have to ask you, I am sure you disciple your converts. Or do you just bless them if they profess and leave it at that ? Why, for by both ?
     
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    No one said you were.

    What has this to do with two salvations.
     
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    Repentance is a life long attribute of the born again Christian. Repentance is granted to the regenerated the same as faith is Acts 11:18. but apart from regeneration asking a man to repent would be like asking a dead man to live.
     
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    I'm curious now.....why did you bring that up?
     
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    It was a comparison because he has on more than several occasions pronounced his belief in more than one salvation.
     
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    Go figure, you're smart, ain'tcha ?
     
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    And what exactly are the two salvations being promoted by the exclusionists and why do you think theirs and what I am saying are the same thing ?
     
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    I did not say their and yours are the same thing. The very fact that you preach more than one single salvation is in fact heresy and ought to be soundly admonished by the admin of this board regardless if your is the same as theirs.

    There is but one single salvation. Any other preaching is another gospel not found in scripture and ungodly to the core.
     
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    Certainly, repentance and faith are requisites for the Christian life. But they are also necessary for conversion. Even the idea of "convert" has the idea to turn. I'm not sure what you think I said that you didn't agree with.
     
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    And your insistence that the blood of Christ shed from eternity past and in time is insufficient for the eternal salvation of all for whom He shed it without THEIR repentance and faith thrown into the mix is absolutely satanic and totally anti Christ- like.
     

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