Is satan Christ's opposite?

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  1. Dale-c

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    I was just thinking about a book I read as a teenager called This PResent Darkness.
    I would imagine that many of you have read those books.

    It may not have been in that exact title but one of those in that series, perhaps Prophet, Satan is reffered to as God's "opposite".
    Also the running theme of This Present Darkness was the invisible war between God's angels and Satan's demons.
    The deciding factor was always the prayers and faithfulness of Christians.

    I didn't think much of it at the time but I am beginning to realize just how much damage that idea does to the character of Christ.
    It totally thwarts the very Godhood of God into an interested by standard that HOPES that Christians will be faithful in the war against satan.
    The picture painted in those books of GOd is really no god at all.
    He elevates man in the the position of supreme ruler of destiny.
     
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    I think you missed the the soveriegnty of God in those books. If you will notice (or remember) that always toward the end of the books when things 'look' to be at there worst and defeat 'seems' eminent, that Tal (the Captain of Hosts) knows things are going just as God knew it was to be and that is why the angels were sent and set to that which God had Already commanded them. They waited upon the Spirit of God to tell them what to do next, not because God was waiting on Satan to make his move but they could not do what was necessary until Satan MADE his move. The angels did not act because the saints praying or being faithful they acted when they did because it was a signal to them that Gods people where of one mind with him and everyone was in union to the will of God. They already KNEW what was coming and what to look for, but the angels just didn't know WHEN it was to happen and the faithfulness and prayers where their cues to move.

    Do you think Gods will among His people will be done without them being in prayer and faithful? That neither prayer nor faithfulness are necessary in the life of a believer? By that I will clarify with and example questions:
    Do you beleive God will grow and mature His church dispite faithfulness (shown in disunity) of the believers there-in?
    Do you believe the christian doesn't need to pray since God will do His will and all things will be no different whether the Christian(s) prayed or not.
    Do you believe God will continue to grow a believer into the likeness of Christ if they are unfaithful and remain in a sinful lifestyle?


    The first book was "Peirceing the Darkness" and the second book is "This Present Darkness" It was in the second book the Michael the Arch-Angels, also known as the Commander comes into the the book and you find him toward the end of it responding to other angels that were amazed at how things turned out (since they don't know everything except what they are told) in different situations saying to Michael - you knew didn't you. And he would just smile or so something to the effect - God's plan was already set or God wasn't surprized, ext...

    So remember that the books are supposed to be real time events with creatures who do not know everything but both angels and people in the books are not to do anything with God telling them because only He knows all things and though nothing surprizes Him, if we do things without His leading we just may be surprized - but Doesn't God already know that :laugh: and has already prepared us the way out.
     
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    satan is not Christ's opposite. Jesus can call the angels. Jesus is the Son of God. satan is a liar and is dead meat.
     
  4. Dale-c

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    Allan, the way you remember the book is a little different than my inpression of it. I will admit it has been about 10 years since I read it but that is what I remember.
    I specifically remember something to the effect of satan being the opposite of God in one of the books, I believe it was Prophet.

    FOr what it is worth, I read just about all of those books and found them very entertaining.
    but I have come to realize that the doctrine was a little less than accurate.
     
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    I've read all the books and I remember them like Allen.
     
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    BUt you do agree that Satan is not God's opposite right?
     
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    I believe since satan wanted to be God, he will mimick Christ. He's not equal or opposite God...but he sure tries. That's why I feel the antichrist will closely resemble the incarnate Jesus Christ...down to even the age.
     
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    Satan is not God's opposite. Satan is pretty stong, but God is omnipotent. Satan is pretty smart, but God is all knowing. Satan is pretty fast, but God is omnipresent. Satan is very determined, but is God is sovereign.

    Satan can only do what God allows. He will not rule hell, but will burn in torment like everyone else cast there.

    When compared to God, Satan is just a little bit bigger worm than men.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    To have an opposite then both objects must be measurable. Jesus is infinite and Satan is finite. The infinite cannot be measured while the finite can. Hence, there is no genuine basis for such a categorization.
     
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    yeh, what he said.

    peace to you:praying:
     
  11. Allan

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    No problem, but remember 'Prophet' or 'Visitation' or another are not in the same vein as 'Peircing the Darkness' (the original) and 'This Present Darkness' (a sequal). They are different altogether. I personally wasn't all to thrilled with some of the views in 'Prophet' either, whether or not the "Satan is Gods opposite" is in there. If it was I too disagree.
     
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    Christian fiction rarely gets everything correct theologically...
    At least to the point that it would satisfy all Baptists!!

    That said... Of course Satan is not equal with God...
    He was created...

    If he is equal to anyone, it would be Michael or Gabriel...
    But Michael even kicked his tail!!!
    So he is not even equal to him!
     
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    Your quite right, satan is not God's opposite, that would make them equals, just opposite from each other.
     
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    None of the other books have been anything like Piercing the Darkness or This Present Darkness. Which to me was a disappointment. Though I did like The Oath.
     

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