Is sinless perfection possible for the believer before death?

I think you forget that everyman even those who have never read of the Law of Moses has the Law writen on their hearts. I don't believe there has ever been a time in history when men didn't know right from wrong. Certainly conscience is not possible with out knowing what is right and what is wrong. Cain other wise should not have been held responsible for the death of Able but he was.
MB

 

I'm greatly confused as to what the discussion here is trying to cover.

I believe I've read where FAL said that if we have an occasional mistake, that's one thing; but to continually repeat that sin is another. I'd like to hear if FAL actually espouses that we can remain sinless while in this weak flesh.

I would point out the rich young ruler, who stated that he had followed all the commandments from his youth--to which Jesus did not deny. But it was his attachment to his material things, not a problem with keeping the law, that kept him from following Jesus.

I would also point out that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for a sin that wasn't identified in writing until Moses, but was obviously known; thus, the only thing the writing down of the law did was put what was already known in print.

 

His attachment to material things was breaking the Law. Thus he wasn't keeping it. It's called being covetous.

The rich young ruler was in fact covetous, thus he was not keeping the law. He was deceived, Jesus exposed him, that he in fact was not keeping the law as he thought. May I suggest he had also lied? If he knew the Law, he knew that covetousness was breaking the Law.

So, in other words Jesus did deny that he kept the commandments.

I like what I heard Erwin Lutzer say concerning passages like this, and the passage in Joshua (which he referred to) where self deception was at it's height in one saying they would and could keep all that God commanded, Lutzer simply stated how believing this is self-deception.

 

Read post #14 this thread.

 

Since you didn't actually come out and say it (and I read through this entire thread, including that post, before I made my comments), the implication from that post is that yes, you believe we can remain sinless.

 

Excellent point. Thanks for the correction.

 

There are two possibilities here. One is you did not read carefully what I said in that post, or you did not really read the post. It is not that I believe we can I know we can and I gave an example, by any reasonable assumption, of someone who did.

 

The thief on the cross was your example; someone who lived for perhaps three hours after his recognition of Christ, and faced no temptations in that short period. How about an example of someone who lived 30 years afterwards, faced temptations daily, and thus, is a more applicable example to the folks who are posting here?

 

i know ONE person in history who was able to keep the Law perfectly, as God intended it to be...

NOT Fal/Jesusfan etc

JESUS...period...

he could because he was/is GOD...

ANY one else here able to claim that?

 

Brother Don,

Thanks for the kind response. The truth there is something of all worthiness for us to ponder.

- Peace

 

Wait a minute. Are you not one of those who says it is impossible? Are you first ready to admit you were wrong and that it is possible?

 

You are grasping at straws and showing your desperation to be correct now.

 

I would point you back to #14 and yes the bible tells us how.

 

Don't twist things; answer the question. If you can provide an actual example of someone that, like each and every one of us, faces temptation daily, but is someone who has never sinned since accepting Christ, then please, by all means, let us know who it is/was.

 

This doesn't mean you and I won't bump heads about other topics.... :tongue3:

But I hope it does show others that if I'm wrong about something, and can be shown the proof of my error, that I'll easily admit my error. (that wasn't intended towards you, P4T)

 

You mean your temptations are gretaer then his was? Correct? What greater temptation is there for a person who is being tortured to curse his accusers, doubt God or what ever. You said it is impossible I gave an example. Are you willing to admit you are wrong?

 

I had my wires crossed. It was in another thread in another forum. Thanks for the rod of correction.