Is the spiritual "death" Paul refers to from birth or is he referring to what mankind will naturally become if left unchecked to himself? After all James writes: 13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. It seems here that "death" is something that comes only after a process of rebellion. And Paul write in Romans 7 : that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. It just seems to me that Paul's analogy of death is not equal to what Calvinist refer to as "Total Depravity" because its not "from birth" but something that is produced in us or birthed in us over a time of rebellion. What say you?