Is the 9/11 attack found in the Bible?

I'm going to bad mouth my own reply. Our relationship with the Shah of Iran, while it demonstrates the willingness of the U.S. to back dictators when necessary to meet our national defense objectives, obviously didn't occur during the Bush administration and isn't relevent to the discussion. I need to think about this a bit more.

 

My apologies JC. I thought you were a congenital Bush hater but I was wrong, Now I find that you have endowed him with miraculous powers. At the age of seven [He was born on July 6, 1946.] he engineered the overthrow of the Iranian government.

I have always regarded Bush very highly but I am awed by your reverence for his abilities. That is a four :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

If it helps JC, the Iran contra scandal was under Reagan. That is when Oliver North was caught selling arms to Iran. Now I may not be the brightest bulb in the batch but I know a LTC illegally acquire military weapons then have the ability to export them to the middle east.

 

You didn't read my follow-up posted before yours.

 

and it continues with rants about Iran Contra. Oh thats right I forgot about the 1st book of Hezekiah chapter 9 verse 43-50 "Lo and Behold that in that day a mixture of Ishmael's sons should fly into the great gods of commerse that the peoples of Washington woshiped to their folly. God's wrath will be against the peoples there and fire and smoke will be their inheretance on the dread day of the Lord God. and a number shall be placed upon that day. for those with wisdom the number of that day is nine one one. The Lord's anger will then be against Ishmael's children and the great Bush shall make Babylon a stench to the congregation."

 

I did but apparently you did not read your earlier post about Iran. That is what happens when you cut and paste. I tried to warn you JC that you could not understand.

 

You're wrong. I made a mistake. I'm not perfect like you.

 

"Endeavor to persevere"!

 

I do but Jesus sets my marching orders.

 

Did Jesus instruct you to vote for a man who is in favor of the murder of children, born and unborn? Did Jesus instruct you to vote for a man who bragged that his first act in office would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act which would remove all restrictions on the murder of the unborn? If so then you are not getting your marching orders from the Jesus of the Bible.

 

Did Jesus ever take a stand on any political issue? Did He come to overthrow the Roman Empire? Those who thought so included Judas and the Pharisees, His greatest enemies. It sounds like you side with the Pharisees.

 

You stated in your earlier post that you received your marching orders from Jesus Christ. I had to assume that included all facets of your life. So just answer the question I asked above JC. Don't try to obfuscate or dodge the issue by asking inane questions.

By the way Jesus Christ did take a stand on political issues:

Luke 20:22-26
22. Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?
23. But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
24. Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.
25. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.
26. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.

 

I don't believe that Jesus instructs us to vote for anyone. OI think He expects us to use our bes6t judgment as Christians in participating in the political process. I've already stated here that my judgment told me that the Republicans from Ronald Reagan through GHW Bush and GW Bush were using the abortion issue to get thye vote of evangelical Christians but then once in office didn't do anything about that pledge.

Therefore, I decided to vote for the Sanctity of Life by voting against an unjust was in Iraq that has killed literally hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqui people.

Were you fooled once again by the Republicans into thinking they were going to change anything about abortion law in the U.S.? Did you vote for the murder of innocents in Iraq?

T%hen who voted for the sanctity of life, you or me? Obviously me.

 

You are disingeneous or worse in your statement: the Republicans from Ronald Reagan through GHW Bush and GW Bush were using the abortion issue to get the vote of evangelical Christians

You apparently think that the majority of evangelical Christians are fools. Some are! And they voted for B. Hussein O’bama.

Reagan and Bush 41 could do nothing because the pro murder of unborn children democrats controlled the House of Representatives. After the Republicans took control of the House in 1994 they twice passed a bill banning the practice of Partial Birth Abortion. The pro murder of unborn children democrat president Clinton twice vetoed the bill. After President Bush 43 took office the Congress again passed a bill banning Partial Birth Abortion. President Bush signed the bill and it was upheld by the Supreme Court.

The person you voted for, B. Hussein O’bama, has pledged that his first act in office will be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act removing all restrictions on the murder of unborn children, including those imposed by states.

There have been 50 million unborn babies murdered in this country since Roe v Wade so don’t come up with this self righteous drivel that you voted for the sanctity of life. That is simply not true! B. Hussein O’bama is the strongest advocate for the murder of the unborn in the United States government [even worse than Barbara Boxer] and he pretends to be a Christian. You JC voted for the continuation of the murder of the unborn and will have to give an account of it one day just as B. Hussein O’bama will.

By the way to say that the war in Iraq has killed hundreds of thousands of people is also untrue.

 

You're the one who's putting out the self-righteous drivel. Yes, I do think the majority of anti-abortion Christians have put their faith on the wrong thing, the Republican party. I will agree that there was positive change in the horrific treatment of Partial Birth abortions. These however represented only about 0.17% of all abortions in 2000.

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Intact dilation and extraction (IDX or intact D&X), also known as intact dilation and evacuation (intact D&E), dilation and extraction (D&X), intrauterine cranial decompression and controversially in the United States as partial birth abortion, is a surgical abortion wherein an intact fetus is removed from the uterus via the cervix. The procedure may also be used to remove a deceased fetus that is developed enough to require dilation of the cervix for its extraction. [1]

Though the procedure has had a low rate of usage, representing 0.17% (2,232 of 1,313,000) of all abortions in the United States in the year 2000, according to voluntary responses to an Alan Guttmacher Institute survey,[2] it has developed into a focal point of the abortion debate. In the United States, intact dilation and extraction was made illegal in most circumstances by the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.

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Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush did nothing to change the remaining 99.83% of all abortions in the U.S. every year. In other words they did almost nothing to stop legal abortion in 20 years of Republican administrations.

My argument is that more Iraqi civilians are killed by our troops every year than the number of Partial Birth Abortion babies saved by the Republicans. It's a drop in the bucket. Yes, they did it to keep the Christian Right vote.

 

It is indeed a sad day when a professing Christian would say that the lives of several thousand children killed in the process of birth are referred to as a drop in the bucket.. I suspect that their remains after their brain had been suctioned out were dropped in a bucket and then tossed in the garbage.

Your statement: "Yes, they did it to keep the Christian Right vote." is not true and you know it! Either that or you betray your ignorance. I have already explained above why Reagan and Bush 41 could do nothing about abortion but perhaps understanding that is beyond your pay grade.

You can spin like a top JC but the fact is you voted for a party whose purpose is to murder unborn children. You voted for a person, B. Hussein O'bama, who voted to allow the murder by neglect of just born children. You voted for a person, B. Hussein O'bama, who promised that his first act as president would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, passed by a baby killing democrat Congress, that would remove all restrictions including those imposed by the states, on the murder of the unborn.

I repeat: There have been 50 million unborn babies murdered in this country since Roe v Wade so don’t come up with this self righteous drivel that you voted for the sanctity of life. That is simply not true! B. Hussein O’bama is the strongest advocate for the murder of the unborn in the United States government [even worse than Barbara Boxer] and he pretends to be a Christian. You, JC, voted for the continuation of the murder of the unborn and you claim to be a Christian. You both will have to give an account of it one day.

 

Get used to being persecuted even by Christians Old Regular...

When you stand and declare that God wants to stop abortion ;and then declare that by voting for candidates that want to keep abortion people support abortion, you will be called arrogant...
Just like what happened last night in the political forum to me.

Gone are the days when right was right, and wrong was wrong.

Now we have Christians making excuses for voting proabortion.

It stinks in the nostrils of God.

Babies being killed by choice. And Christians putting men and women in power that want to keep it legal.

If declaring that abortion, and the supporters of a woman's right to choose abortion, is murder makes me arrogant.. .

Go ahead and call me arrogant.. I will stand firm on the word of God.

 

Before I post the following Scripture I want it known that I am not claiming that the USA is Israel. However, we are supposed to be a nation that is predominantly Christian. God had the following to say to Judah through the prophet Jeremiah regarding their practice of offering their children to a false god, just as the abortionists do.

Jeremiah 32:27-36
27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
28 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will give this city into the hand of the Chaldeans, and into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and he shall take it:
29 And the Chaldeans, that fight against this city, shall come and set fire on this city, and burn it with the houses, upon whose roofs they have offered incense unto Baal, and poured out drink offerings unto other gods, to provoke me to anger.
30 For the children of Israel and the children of Judah have only done evil before me from their youth: for the children of Israel have only provoked me to anger with the work of their hands, saith the LORD.
31 For this city hath been to me as a provocation of mine anger and of my fury from the day that they built it even unto this day; that I should remove it from before my face,
32 Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;

My fear is that Jeremiah Wright, though his words were spoken in hatred for this country, may turn out to be prophetic and that his disciple O'bama may be the instrument of God's wrath.

 

It's a drop in the bucket when compared to what an honest attempt to make a change would have resulted in. How can you support the murder o0f innocent women and children ion Iraq so America could stand tall as the supreme ruler of the world? A life is a life according to the Bible. These lives taken by our troops are no less important that the lives of the unborn taken by the abortion clinics. They are all precious in God's sight.

 

If you're calling m,e a liar have the honesty to come out and say it. I stand on my beliefs which are not polluted by politics.

If after 20 years an approach doesn't produce results why keep trying it. The Republican party has played YOU for a FOOL.