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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by Ruiz, Feb 5, 2011.
Is the church in America too concerned about Politics? Explain your answer.
All I can say is that it seems from the messages on the Board that Christians in America are more concerned with politics than Christians here are, but that's obviously a great generalisation.
Possibly true - but what would be the reason?
When I ran for public office my slogan was "Returning to Traditional Values"
I would say Christians are very concerned about moral issues - abortion, hom0sexual marriage, excessive govt give-a-ways (individuals & big business), concern about religion in school - now let me explain - a teacher leading a prayer for her students is one thing - but if a football team wants to pray before a game, if a student wants to lead in prayer at graduation - they should be allowed to.
So yes, we are concerned about politics because we want this country to return to traditional values.
Now if we get all worked up over non-moral issues, such as term limits, government consolation, and the such - well, thats something else.
Salty (vote for me - vote early - vote often :laugh
But I think Christians in all countries are concerned about moral values. It is not something that American believers have a monopoly on.
Believers all over the world make deal with moral issues in a less political manner, but that does not mean they are any less concerned.
I agree fully with you. But would you say with our form of govt as a representative elected Republic - gives us more of a voice in government affairs than many other countries?
Any, but not all.
There is a whole body of thought among some Christians in the world that the solution to moral issues is not to be found in the political realm.
This is what happens when we try to label "the church." There is no American church. There are only American churches. Some are interested in politics, and some aren't.
Theologically conservative church members tend to be politically conservative, and vice versa---but not always.
Yes Salty, I agree with that, but on the BB there seems to be a lot of "politics" in the sense of getting "all worked up over non-moral issues, such as term limits, government consolation, and the such," to use your words. For example, I remember a thread that seemed to go on and on, discussing whether or not POTUS had put his arm in the traditional position when your national anthem was sung.
That is a sign of respect - it would be like a pastor praying and not bowing his head and/or closing his eyes while praying.
But back to the POTUS - that was in addition, just one more item for the anti-Obamaites to complain about.
In fact, when he was running for POTUS, he was not wearing a lapel flag pin. Boy oh boy, did some folks make a big issue of out that.
Besides, Americians are honouring their most cherished right - COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING! :thumbsup: :tear: Even though we have it very good in this county.
If we as Christians ignore politics, we will soon find ourselves in a nation that is hostile to Christians. We need to be able to fight for our freedoms as much as anyone else fights for theirs.
Brother with all due respect you continue to misrepresent the issue. I have never read, listened to, or have known anyone Christian who thinks the solution to the moral issues is in the political realm. To say such is at best ignorant of the intent and motive of Christians who believe we have a responsibility to be involved in the political process in our country. It is my hope for you that your statements are made out of ignorance and not out of malice. I am willing to hold to the first. And I suggest that you begin to listen thoroughly to those you disagree with so as not to remain so.
Your perception of my ignorance aside - I contend that far too many Christians DO look to politics as the solution to moral issues. That may or may not apply to you - I suspect not - but it is very common.
I don't think we can expect a secular state to hole to Bible standards. We won't see that until we get to heaven. Our best method of 'fixing' the morals of a state is not by expending our lives and efforts in the political realm, but to focus our efforts to expanding the Kingdom so that hearts are changed, and not just behaviour.
Much of what we see in the theopolitical realm is there as a result of the lingering traditions of amillennialism. If our focus was on advancing the Kingdom instead of the promulgation of nationalistic thought we could be doing works that count for eternity instedd of spinning our wheels with the idea that we can 'fix' a secular state.
And what evidence do you have to support that you know the motives of all these people you refer to?
Some truths are self evident.
Well either you have some or you work to impose that which you simply want to believe assuming the worst about others simply because you do not like their position.
I contend that the true motives are far different than what people are willing to give room for.
Yes, this happens on both sides of a discussion, doesn't it?
Absolutely - I totally agree.
However, I see a sigificant difference in Christians being active in politics versus the church (or churches) being involved in politics. And unfortunately, I sometimes see the American church (or churches) being far too political.
No and not nearly enough so. We are the ordained regent to this land, guaranteed and sealed by the Constitution of the United States. If the Church continues to neglect its duty to protect and defend it (Constitution), God will turn it over to another. :godisgood:
So you are avoiding providing evidence for your statement? Sorry to see that.
I don't allow postings to be personal. I am not going to 'name names' just because I disagree with a brother in Christ. I have too much respect for them even though I disagree.