Is the Bible Reliable or is it the Pope that's Reliable?

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  1. BobRyan

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    Many atheists today claim the Bible is not reliable. They claim it does not give a reliable historic record of the events in history that it "claims" to describe.

    That is no surprise - after all - they are atheists.

    What about Christians? should Christians join in making that charge against the Bible? Would it benefit Christianity to join the atheists in that little game of theirs?

    A large section of Christianity in many different denominations unwittingly choose to join them -- at times.

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    The pope was addressing the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered Monday at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature."
    "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," Francis said.
    "He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."
    Francis said the beginning of the world was not "a work of chaos" but created from a principle of love. He said sometimes competing beliefs in creation and evolution could co-exist.

    Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real


    Pope Francis tells an audience that the Big Bang does not contradict the "creative intervention of God". He says, "on the contrary, it requires it". Rough Cut (no reporter narration). Newslook"God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life," the pope said. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."


    Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution.
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    This is not a scientific debate - it is a question of "the text" of scripture itself.


    How many miracles - how many acts of God can we throw out the window in services to an external agenda - one external to the text??


    Nobody seriously thinks that Moses was out to preach darwinian-evolutionism.


    And evolution is never stated in the form "for in six days the Lord created the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them" Ex 20:11.


    If God is not "able" to create all life on earth in 6 days - then why does He present such false marketing in the Bible itself? That is a question atheists can rightfully ask if one tries to marry the Bible to the blind-faith-stories of evolutionism.


    should we make the atheist's argument for them -by going down such a self-conflicted path? It is self-defeating to the gospel and to acceptance of the Bible as a reliable trustworthy record of the acts of God in sacred history, to cclaim that God is not able to do as He stated in His own historic account given to mankind by divine revelation.
     
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    You wrote, "A large section of Christianity in many different denominations unwittingly choose to join them -- at times." and then you cite the Vatican and the pope.

    Choose one, please.

    We can either talk about a large section of Christianity or we can talk about the Catholic church but you can't talk about both in the same sentence.
     
  3. BobRyan

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    Far be it from me to claim that the Catholics are the only ones out there preaching evolutionism - Presbyterians, Methodists, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans... you name it. Which one never teach evolution as "fact" in their universities??? My specifically which one would tolerate not having their universities teach evolution as fact?
     
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    Evolution can not be married to the Bible - and that is where the Christian needs to then make a choice.
     
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    neither can the doctrines of the SDA be found in the scriptures though either!
     
  6. BobRyan

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    That is an interesting spin on evolutionism - I don't think I have ever seen that given as the solution before.

    hmmm.
     

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