Is The Papacy Threatened?

Yes there is but unfortunately it doesn't give us the style of Christianity. So we can't detect if they were baptist, Catholic, Prebyterian, or whatever. We have christian writings that unfortunately sound Too Catholic During that time but why not baptistic writings? I would be thrilled to find some.

 

If 'baptistic writings' ever existed, you would think some would have surfaced by now. Plenty of heretical writings survived so it wasn't (as DHK insists) because of a 'purge' of such documents.

The reason so many of the christian writings in the first few centuries sound so Catholic is because the Church WAS Catholic.

 

Do you really believe Peter wrote down everything he believed in eight short chapters (4,029 words to be exact)? DHK, you can write more than that in one day on the Baptist Board. And aside from what he wrote, you don't know what Peter believed. He admitted he had difficulty understanding some of Paul's writings. So for all you know Peter believed in the sacraments and the communion of saints. He also could have had personal knowledge that the body of Mary disappeared from the earth. The Catholic Church has 2,000 years of tradition that is pretty well documented going all the way back to Jesus Christ. You have nothing to disprove these things other than that they aren't in the Bible. Not that they contradict the Bible, they just aren't in there so you think they could not be true.

DHK, not everything we know about is in the Bible. The Bible is silent on the destruction of Jerusalem, although some of it was written after 70. The Bible doesn't mention Caligula, Nero and Domitian although these men were rulers of all the earth during Bible times. There is nothing in the Bible about trading Sunday for Saturday, it's a Catholic tradition. If you don't think so, just ask BobRyan. There is nothing in the New Testament about using musical instruments in worship. There is not even anything in the Bible that directly validates New Testament scripture. We take it to be true based on tradition. We also take it on faith but that faith is mostly out of tradition.

So don't try to say what Peter didn't believe because you have nothing but your own ideas, clouded by your own mysterious hatred of the Catholic Church, to back it up.

 

I'm sorry, DHK. Heaven will surely be a miserable place for you with so many Catholics there who followed the teachings of "the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

I'm also sorry you take such delight in the difficulty the Catholic Church now finds itself. I know they brought it on themselves by the shameful conduct of a few of their clergy. They have handled it all badly, from the moral issues to the legal issues to the public relations issues. But when the world sees this as related through the press, the world has a lower opinion of all Christians everywhere. This should be a source of great sorrow for you, not one of glee.

And Happy Easter, DHK. I guess you celebrate the resurrection of our Lord, even if the Bible has no record of such a celebration and Easter is an invention of the Catholic Church. Or do you?

 

He is risen! Alleluia!!

 

Anyone who thinks there is less internal politics in protestant denominations than in the RCC might be smoking green veggie matter.

 

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Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!

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Do you believe that Jesus rose from the grave once? Which I think you do, so how then can you believe that Jesus is ever dying in the continued sacrifice of the mass and yet have only risen once? Would not that mean that He is ever dying, then ever rising? Can you please explain what you believe about this?

 

Thanks for asking. ". . . who made there, by his one oblation of Himself once offered, a full perfect, and sufficient sacrifice, oblation, and satisfaction, for the sins of the whole world."

He died once for us, rose once for us. The mass re-presents that sacrifice ONCE OFFERED. No more suffering, no more dying.

 

You appear to be (based on number of posts) fairly new to the board. I think your question may well be answered within the posts on the thread "Another discussion on John Chapter six". It has been discussed extensively on this board over the years.

 

So... when the bread is transformed into the flesh of Christ and the wine into His blood, it is being ripped from His body now? yeah, that makes perfect sense... not.

If Christ has made the sacrifice and has risen, why do Catholics depict Him as continually on the cross? The cross, just like the tomb, is empty. Keeping Him on the cross denies His finished work.

 

No one is 'keeping Him on the cross', no one 'denies His finished work on the cross'.

You don't understand the Eucharist. It was foreshadowed in the Old Testament and was instituted by our Lord on the night in which He was betrayed.

I have a crucifix in virtually every room in my home to remind me what He endured for my sins.

Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Orthodox and others have crucifixes for this reason. None of these denominations deny the resurrection.

I hope you had a wonderful 'Resurrection Sunday' Trotter.

 

I have crosses, empty crosses. They are to remind me of what He endured for me, the price He paid, and that His sacrifice was complete and need not be repeated. The cross is a symbol of pain, torture, and humiliation... and it is the place where the price of my sins were paid.

I do not assume that you, the RCC, or those you mentioned deny the resurrection, Lori... but using images of Christ hanging on the cross is completely backward to what He did for us. His redemptive work is finished... and yet He is shown hanging on the cross. I realize that my point may sound simple, but it is a huge thing to me. The combination of His depiction of still being on the cross, and using an image of Him at all, truly bother me deeply.

And I do hope you had a wonderful day of worship, adoration, and time with loved ones on this day of the resurrection, Praise the Lord, He is risen indeed!

 

Lori, I could not find this thread. Can you give me a link to it, if not where exactly would I find it?

 

Although this is more of a discussion about the 'Real Presence' of Christ in the Eucharist, it discusses what Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, Orthodox believe in common about 'the mass'. It also discusses some differences in viewponts in these churches regarding defining the 'Real Presence'.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=58270&highlight=discussion+john+chapter

 

Lori...

DHK posted...

When Oh when are you going to get a grip on that, Lori? Come out of the land of fairy tales and enter reality.

The church known today as the "Catholic Church" of Rome was invented in the 4th century.

These statements are TRUE Lori.