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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 12strings, Apr 10, 2012.

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  1. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
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    Baptist Press releases here.
     
  2. pilgrim_99

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    Thanks! No time to look at it now but I wanted to have access to that information. I knew about the site but have never looked into it in depth to see what kind of material is posted.

    To sum up, it appears that these clauses are recommended (although not mandated except maybe in a denominational plant) as a way to prevent a charismatic takeover or some other kind of takeover by a group with different beliefs. In that case it's a takeover by a "hostile" group, similar to a corporate raider that stages a hostile takeover. So there's the danger of a takeover one way or another.

    But a group can also come in and make it a charismatic church without leaving the SBC and there's no recourse if they have the votes. There are plenty of charismatic SBC churches, although it's still a small minority overall.

    A lot of IFB churches are so closely affiliated with a certain Bible College or Seminary as to seemingly bow to every pronouncement from on high. But all the while they tout their independency. This is similar to the same kind of peer pressure that is prevalent in the SBC, whether it's unthinking traditionalism ("this is the way we've always done it") or jumping on board with the latest fad like 40 Days or whatever because "everybody is doing it" and "it works."
     
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    The SBC Entity is not trying to get a specific salvation theology to be adhered to, and is generally seeking to bridge the rift between the two sides.

    Now, there are specific people and groups pushing for or against it. SWTS & Paige Patterson are definitely pushing against it...Founders pushing for it.

    At Southern and Southeastern Seminaries, there is a rise of reformed teachers and students, though it is interesting that SBTS has NO CALVINIST DEANS!

    However, Neither SBTS, SEBTS, or even founders is pushing for a calvinistic Creed or statement as a test of fellowship in the SBC, or entrance in to a seminary.

    If anything, Paige Patterson has made rejection of calvinism a test for employment at SWTS, to the detriment of open discussion at that school.
     
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    Thanks for an excellent post!
     
  5. mandym

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    I have yet to see a legitimate case why the SBC is not Baptist. What I do continue to see is sour grapes over the loss of left wing political power over the convention.
     
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    So, everyone who didn't like the fundamentalist gestapo purge was a left-winger, huh? And the fundie gestapo's political power over the convention is Christlike, huh? :rolleyes:

    I guess the SBC being the religious wing of the Republican party is a historic Baptist principle, and also the denial of church-state separation that has become so widespread, the denial of Bible freedom, acceptance of reversion clauses, denial of soul liberty.
     
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    To bad your diatribe is so distorted it lacks any semblance of reality.
     
  8. Michael Wrenn

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    Only in your distorted mind.
     
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    I've been asking this time and time again in my replies. Other than some nettlesome criticisms there hasn't been a single point raised against the SBC as violating Baptist beliefs.:thumbsup:
     
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    If some cannot just do whatever in the world they want in our seminaries and committees then they cry foul and bemoan the good ole days before the resurgence when things could only be done in a left wing paradigm.
     
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    I was raised in an SBC church. Very conservative and very biblical.

    I dont think that the teachings of SBC churches have changed, but i do think that a lot of them have become too tolerate of political correctness, to the point of not actually practicing what they preach.

    The problem is not in the teaching, but in the practice.

    Saddleback is a good example. Good teaching, but bad example.

    Just my opinion.

    john
     
  12. Michael Wrenn

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    Your posts confirm over and over again that you see only two possible positions -- that of the pharisaical fundamentalist "resurgence" and anything that disagrees with them, which you falsely label "left-wing". There are also non-fundamentalist conservatives, moderate-conservatives, moderates, moderate-liberals, and liberals.

    I'd like to see the mean-spirited fundies and liberals thrown into a pit and watch them tear each other to shreds. That would be justice.

    My best friend is a fundamentalist, but he has the Spirit of Christ and the fruits thereof.
     
  13. mandym

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    I have not used any of those labels.
     
  14. preachinjesus

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    I just don't the "good ole days" routine of where the SBC was before the resurgence.

    We have more missionaries out in the field, we are planting more churches now, our seminaries have higher enrollment, we have an increasingly younger clergy, we have some of the largest churches in the US, we are seeing continued growth in our agencies, and yet the olden days were better? I just don't see it.

    I'm as concerned about some of the stuff in the SBC as others here...frankly, the biggest issue is the over inflated egos of a lot of the people who think they run the think...but we are doing really well at accomplishing the Gospel task given to us. Even better than before.
     
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    I'll have to say this about the Baptist Convention in my state: They were the ONLY major denomination that supported our personhood amendment a few months ago which failed. The mealy-mouthed RC bishop didn't support it. The UMC woman bishop didn't support it, nor did the Episcopal bishop.
     
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