Is There a difference between practicing Homosexuality and celibete?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JesusFan, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    In reards to being able to hold official ministry/teaching positions within a church?
     
    #1 JesusFan, Oct 11, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 11, 2011
  2. th1bill

    th1bill
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2009
    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    12
    There is within the SBC. If celebate, he or she would find that they would be helped to repent of the sin involved and to avoid it in the future just as the Focus On The Family Ministry does.
     
  3. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think you have bought the false claim of the movement that a person can be a homosexual and not practice the sin. Homosexuality is not a condition that one has because of birth. Homosexuality is the literal practice of same sex relations. No one ever claims to be a non practicing prostitute or liar, or thief. The same with this sin. Such a claim is false. Either a person is doing it or they are not. If they are trapped in the desire they should not hold any office in any church just like someone who is battling any raging sin. That is why scripture says they must be above reproach. Not sinless, but there is nothing that can be pointed to that would bring shame on the office or the Lord.
     
  4. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    A person though coukld have come out of that sinful lifestyle, be saved by grace of God, and yet still find themselves tempted and even at times 'falling" back into that, and confessing/repenting and moving forward in Christ!
     
  5. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    .
    Just as there are recovering alcholics who have not had a drink in years.












    just as thee are
     
  6. matt wade

    matt wade
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    76
    I personally hate the term "recovering alcoholic". I was once an alcoholic. I drank every day with the purpose of getting drunk and most nights don't remember going home or to sleep. Once I was saved, I stopped being an alcoholic and I am no longer.
     
  7. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank god for His delivering Grace!

    Are you still tempted at all?
     
  8. matt wade

    matt wade
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    76
    Not in the slightest. God removed all desire from within me to drink alcohol.
     
  9. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes you are correct as long as you are not suggesting they are returning to the practice. So if they are having that battle then they are not qualified to hold any position in the church according to scripture which was the OP question.
     
  10. JesusFan

    JesusFan
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    6,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    So IF anyone has a sin problem area they find themselves having to deal with, in the sense still can be tempted and have to 'fight it off", that means they are disqualified from service?

    Wouldn't that basically mean that Jesus would ONLY be ministering in the Church?
     
  11. michael-acts17:11

    michael-acts17:11
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2010
    Messages:
    857
    Likes Received:
    0
    What if their unrepentant sin is gluttony? (Sacred Cow alert!) How is it that being tempted to sin disqualifies a man from service, but continual, unrepentant, deliberate, willful gluttony is perfectly acceptable in most any church? If the temptation disqualifies them because we believe it effects their spiritual growth & maturity, then surely our pulpits are of full of spiritually immature, self-willed men.

    I am not condoning placing a homosexual into a position of leadership; just calling for consistency in our standard of qualification & judgement. God does not remove the temptation to sin from any person. The apostle Paul is an excellent example of a godly man who continued to have a sin problem in his life. (Romans 7) We are trapped in sinful flesh & will wage war against the "law of sin" until we are delivered from the source of temptation by death.
     
    #11 michael-acts17:11, Oct 12, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 12, 2011
  12. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes gluttony would disqualify a man. I know of no church has a glutton for a Pastor or deacon. You might want to research the word from a biblical standpoint to see what it really means. It does not mean someone who is what some call overweight.
    A glutton in the bible was someone who sat down to eat, ate all they could and then went and vomited it all up so they could return and eat more. That man would be disqualified
     
  13. michael-acts17:11

    michael-acts17:11
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2010
    Messages:
    857
    Likes Received:
    0
    Where does Scripture define gluttony in that fashion; as more than being given to gluttonous appetites which result in obesity?
     
  14. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    You were a Drunk!
     
  15. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    You will have to do the research but it does talk about those who vomit up their food and eat more. Also the bible never equates what we call fat people with a glutton. It would have to give us some guidelines as to what constitutes being fat is but it does not.

    None the less if you want to claim being fat is a sin then you need to follow scripture and never make a fat man you pastor he has to be above reproach according to scripture.
    The same would apply to anyone battling on going deisres of any sin.
     
  16. matt wade

    matt wade
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    76
    I am now supposed to ask what the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic is?
     
  17. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    If you were truly an alcoholic you probably know already
     
  18. righteousdude2

    righteousdude2
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    10,466
    Likes Received:
    138
    I Checked, and My Roof Had Not Fallen in On Me!

    This is one of those rare moments where FAl and RD2 agree! If we can agree, than no one can say that the age of miracles is past us! :applause:
     
  19. matt wade

    matt wade
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    76
    I see, so you claim that I was not truly an alcoholic. I didn't realize you were all-knowing! Thanks for letting me know about your special powers.
     
  20. Paul3144

    Paul3144
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2,378
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think there is a difference. I don't believe sexual orientation is a choice. I view homosexual orientation as resulting from a combination of heritable, hormonal, and social environmental factors.

    The Holy Scriptures clearly teach that homosexual activity is a sin. How then, do we integrate these two truths?

    We should start by recognizing that having a gay orientation is not a sin, but acting on those gay desires is. The solution is to help these defective people change their sexual identity and pursue a straight life. One way to do that is through Sexual Identity Therapy. That results in someone whose sexual orientation is gay, but whose sexual identity is straight. In some cases, however, celibacy may be the best option.
     

Share This Page

Loading...