Is There a Hidden Agenda Behind Same-gender Marriage?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    It is my opinion [and mine to own] that same-gender folks believe, deep down, within, that with the full force of the United States government's approval and societies acceptance of their lifestyle and marriages, that God will have no other option then to accept them and their marriages, too!

    I base this above opinion on discussions I've had with same-gender folks who call themselves believers. They throw up in my face that the local, county and state municipalities and the federal government and courts have accepted his or her lifestyle, which means I should as well as my particular form of faith. They are adamant, and trust the court rulings and laws that say they are okay. This is an unfortunate state of affairs, and like I tell them, it doesn't matter what mankind thinks. It only matters what God thinks about their sin.

    The entire goal of this portion of our society's population is to normalize their sin, and by doing so, they can argue that mankind, and its governing agencies and courts have accepted them as being "Okay" which must mean that God, in time, will do likewise?

    What they don't realize is that God does not change His view on sin, no matter how persuasive the argument may be. In fact they should have learned from the Scripture in
    Matthew 7:21-23, The Message (MSG) - where those standing before God at judgment argue for being let into heaven. Jesus told us that, “Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here."

    The churches that tell these folks, they are acceptable in the eyes of God; and even ordain them into the ministry of the Gospel, will have the blood of an entire group of humanity upon their hands for twisting the truth, and itching their ears with messages they paid to hear.

    They are not on the Narrow Path, but rather on the Highway to Hell. A highway jam-packed with folks who have rejected God and His Son. A highway in gridlock with folks who think that "God loves everyone, despite their sinful ways!" A highway of lost souls, commiserating with each other, and philospically and logically absolving one anothers sins through their own vain understandings of a Holy God. A Holy God that they have brought down to their level, immersing Him in the pit of their darkness and sinful ways, believing He will surely be for them when the day of judgment comes.

    And as the version of His word above so aptly put its, the last thing they will hear before they head to eternal damnation will be: "You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here."

    And this ending is so sad, because His Grace, in this life, is so easily found and had. It just takes a repentant heart, and the willingness to go in a new and different direction once His Grace is received, and the blood of Jesus is applied.
     
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    ...that God will have no other option then to accept them and their marriages, too!

    That's "it" in a nutshell.

    On another forum I daily engage someone over abortion, those who are confused over where certain parts of their anatomy go, living together, drugs, etc., and usually it ends with me being called a name..., told that I'm old fashioned, out of touch with reality and otherwise just a waste of their time.

    I do support my position with Scripture and you'd be amazed at the number who claim to have been raised in church but never heard what I provide. Still, they are not interested as God will come around to their point of view.

    ...amazing!
     
  3. righteousdude2

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    Hey HAMel....

    ....I pray that you and your lovely wife had a blessed and happy Easter. It is always great hearing from you. Us old-timers have to stick together. If we don't , who will???? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Think the agenda is pretty clear and not hidden
     
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    Also remember who is REALLY behind all this "in your face" attempt at acceptance; the reasoning being totally inconsquential!
     
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    Heterosexuals have normalized heterosexual fornication and lust. Could no one foresee that the homosexuals would desire the same thing?

    And I will disagree about the motive. As wretchedly ignorant of the truth as some folks try to appear to be, they know God isn't changing and they know the behavior is wrong. And we know this because GOD says they know but they CHOOSE to suppress the truth by their wickedness the same way heterosexuals have.

    The attack on marriage has been ongoing since the Garden. The enemy attacked the union of Adam and Eve and look what was set in motion. He didn't realize that God would STILL use it to His glory. But the enemy has always known that if he can destroy marriage as God has intended it be, that he could destroy the moral fabric of society and lead a whole lot of folks to an eternal lake of fire with him.
     
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    Sure, its to change the entire complexion of morality in this country & to discredit the sanctity of a marriage between one man & one woman. This goes deeper in mitigating any authority God has over His flock. Not good!
     
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    And that's what this is about. Scripture says

    Yet you say, “For what reason?”
    Because the Lord has been witness
    Between you and the wife of your youth,
    With whom you have dealt treacherously;
    Yet she is your companion
    And your wife by covenant.
    15 But did He not make them one,
    Having a remnant of the Spirit?
    And why one?
    He seeks godly offspring.
    Therefore take heed to your spirit,
    And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.
    Malachi 2:14-15

    God desires Godly offspring and the enemy knows that the primary way of seeing that come about is Godly marriages raising kids under the way of Christ.

    Get rid of that and watch out.
     
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    You are aware of course that the Brits just did that, right?
     
  10. Oldtimer

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    Yep, us old folks gotta stick together. :1_grouphug: Everyday our huddle grows smaller.

    In your OP, there's one word that I'd like to change.
    Change "despite" to "and". "God loves everyone and their sinful ways!"

    Ever notice parents who take the position that their child can do no wrong. Their precious little child is above reproach. They "love" their child so much that they are willing to turn a blind eye to misbehavior. They give in to their child's whinning, pleading, protests, temper tantrums, and such.

    Further, no one can utter a single word of correction to their child without bringing the full wrath of that parent upon themselves. Doesn't matter if the person is the other parent*, another relative, teacher, friend, or pastor.

    It seems satan is presuading many that his concept of permissive parenting also includes the Father's view of His children. Nothing, absolutely nothing should be done to diminish a child's sense of personal importance, self worth and esteme.

    * Parents. Professing Christians. Not long ago, saw a father correct his 9 year old daughter in an appropriate manner. Shortly afterwards, father was behind a closed door. Mother was sitting outside the door holding and comforting their daughter. Didn't see or hear the exchange between these parents. However, it was quite apparent that this permissive mother turned a blind eye to her daughter's willful misbehavior.

    Thinking back to when I was a kid. Yes, I can remember that far back! My parents would have been standing arm in arm. I would have been standing, too. Waiting for the sting of their wrath to lessen before I sat down.

    Proverbs 22: KJB
    6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

    Proverbs 11: KJB
    1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.
    2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
    3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.
    4 Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.
    5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.
    6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.
    7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth.

    Think our Father will also turn a blind eye to cuddle in lieu of suffering the sting of His wrath for wilfull misbehavior? Whether we committed the act of disobediance or evidenced approval of that behavior in others.


    Hope everyone received a blessing from praising our Saviour on Resurrection Sunday. Even though satan did much within his power to prevent it, there were blessings in my life yesterday.

    He is Risen! :applause:

    :godisgood: :jesus:
     
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    For Clarity's Sake

    RD2...While I agree with your comments regarding Same-Sex marriage and the agenda of the folks who are trying to force their wicked lifestyle upon us (I think you encapsulated the issue quite well), I don't care at all for the "The Message" and it's wording. I don't wish to turn this into a debate of another kind but for clarity and my own peace of mind I will simply offer the same passage quoted from the BibleGateway online KJV as follows:

    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    I hope you take no offense at that...like I said...other than that...I think you are squarely "on target". If our country rules against Biblical traditional marriage...it WILL be a defining moment and an absolute "game-changer" for people of Biblical "faith" all over this world. David Cloud wrote an article about "What will be illegal when Homosexuality IS Legal" that can be found at wayoflife.org and I highly recommend that everybody that can go there, pull it up, and read it to familiarize yourself with the full impact of what appears to be coming our way. I think it is pretty clear that unless God somehow has other plans and intervenes, that this WILL HAPPEN. The moral and spiritual climate in this country is simply abysmal and spiraling downward at ever-increasing speed.:tear: I'm not trying to be a pessimist. Only realistic.

    RD2...thanks again for your comments.

    Bro.Greg:saint:
     
  12. go2church

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    Perhaps if we stopped fretting over the moral or spiritual climate of this country and focused on loving our neighbor, it wouldn't matter what the government approved.

    Light is easier to see in a very dark place. Quit worrying and get to being light.
     
  13. righteousdude2

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    No offense taken....

    .....many don't like the Message Bible, and that is okay with me. I use it as it speaks quite clearly to the folks of this new generation, better than the others. I use it sparingly, but, use it to make my point clearer.

    Thanks for your thoughts and views. God bless!
     
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    I do not know the agenda behind the same sex marriage, and really do not care, but I do care about the line of God's patience and the future of our nation that God has so richly blessed to date.

    Homosexuals and their freak show activities have been going on since the dawn of time. However, until recent decades, it has been treated as some to be ashamed of, hidden in the shadows of society, and certainly not bragged about. Starting in the 60s say, it became ever so gradually, more acceptable. Now, fifty years later, not only is it acceptable, we are on a rapid race to make it the official law of the land. We cannot even wait for a state by state approval of gay marriage. The Supreme Court, with one ruling, could make every state law banning gay marriage unConstitutional. They could also force states to accept the law of couples married in other states.

    Not that it would not have eventually happened, but states like Kentucky and south would have taken a long time.

    Maybe it is my predjudice, and I know sin is sin in the eyes of God, but this practice is disguisting period, and honestly, it would be disguisting to me, Christian or not. This is one sin that is not up for debate like drinking and the other pet vices of Baptists. It is wrong, dead wrong. In Pauls letters, it talks about our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit, and illicit sexual relations joining Christ to a harlot. So, this is not only a sin, it is a sin against ones own body, just as heterosexual affairs outside of marriage.

    This kind of action by our government(s) takes the sin of homosexuality and marriage to a new height. There is no fear of God or His Word. It is one thing for sin to exist. God is well aware of that. It is quite another for a nation so blessed by the Lord to pass homosexual marriage as the official law of the land. It is like rubbing God's nose in our sin, instead of repenting.

    How long do you think He is going to bless us and put up with this type of evil?
     
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    So true saturneptune. But the derailment seemed to have started with heterosexuals. It was inevitable that once heterosexual fornication and lust were normalized that every other type of vile ungodliness would attempt to follow suit because of the rampant liberalism and ever increasing number of folks beholden to it as "the NEW way" to do things.

    We went from Ward and June Cleaver sleeping in separate twin beds to Kim kardashian being married to one man but pregnant by another and parading around as though it's natural.

    We went from not being able to show anything indecent on network tv to downright soft porn being shown hourly.
     
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    Who is behind this gay marriage thing?

    Satan

    He wants to get men and women to mock their creator.

    Even in places gay marriage is legal, do you think God approves?

    No way!

    "What God has joined together let no man separate..."

    God did not join a man and a man, but this would be a highly mocking statement.

    Making gay marriage illegal will not stop gay lifestyle. The heart must change by the Gospel, one by one.
     
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    I can think of one way stopping gay marriage will put a stop to the lifestyle. And that would be for God to terminate the Age of Grace and give us what we deserve. As the point I made above, it is one thing to sin, it is quite another to rub God's nose in it.
     
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    Yes, the heterosexual behavior is no less the problem. It is in our human, flawed minds that we think it more acceptable, because most with a normal mind are attracted to the opposite sex, not the same sex, cats, dogs, or llamas.

    The question is, or mystery, is when is God going to give this country what it deserves because of making it the official policy of the United States.
     
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    This should have the Saints in constant prayer that we be ready because you KNOW God has to respond to us constantly spitting in His face.
     
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    One of the strongest desires to talk about the GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE, is because I’m not finding much written on this subject from the conservative side being able to adequately defend their side. I’m finding their main focus being SCRIPTURE…that is great for the one who knows God and understands God’s word….but for most, they don’t care what Gods word says, "for man wrote it" so who cares?...So let’s attack this subject in a more objective way, covering all sides. (well, mainly the conservative side as I don’t have enough space or time) Again, I’m all about BALANCE and TRUTH. I’m going to start off with something I said to myself 25 years ago.....

    I said in my heart, head and others I'm sure….”IF HOMOSEXUALITY IS EVER CONDONED IN AMERICA WHAT NEXT?... THE PEDOPHILE CAN ALSO SAY HE TOO CAN’T HELP HIS FEELINGS OF LOVE….HE WAS BORN THAT WAY” and “LOVE IS ALL THAT MATTERS RIGHT?....my predication came TRUE 20 something years later…when a show LAW and ORDER in 2009 and 2010, actually did 2 episodes that echoed exactly what I had predicted years prior…hence a very early understanding of a possible “SLIPPERY SLOPE”…

    Firstly let me say something that is really important…THE CHURCH cannot mandate MORALITY to the world, only God can do that, and He does it individually through each person’s heart as they seek truth. The church is NOT called to JUDGE the world, but to LOVE it!....That is what Jesus said and did…like I said before many times, as one DRAWS CLOSER TO GOD, it is the work of the Holy Spirit to do His work in changing their mind and heart to match His will and desire. My job is to help that person in whatever state they are in draw closer to God, using firm boundaries, accountability, truth, acceptance, love, respect….NOT BY JUDGING THEM. But my LOVE FOR GOD should always supersede my love for man and his laws. Therefore while I think same sex couples should be treated with respect and should have certain rights that would be given to anyone else living together…from what I understand they are given many rights already, not like they have NONE...I understand many of the gay rights reasons for gay marriage and they make sense. Problem is they make it sound like it is something simple and harmless. They (principalities and evil forces EPH 6:12) want everyone to believe their LIE. The TRUTH is if gay marriage passes, it will change our SOCIETY as we know it…below are 3 things to consider and is WHY I AM AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE….BUT NOT GAYS as people.

    1) Like I said earlier, redefining MARRIAGE is a slippery slope to opening up doors for POLYGAMY, POLYAMORY, PEDOPHILES (all they have to is claim they can’t help being in love with children, they were born that way) people wanting to marry their car (google it) their dog or horse (google it) and God knows what else some pervert could come up with. Feelings should never dictate over common sense and the WHOLE OF SOCIETIES WELL BEING. Look at the big picture…please!...Think about it, who would have thought that one day it would be ok to KILL A BABY IN A MOTHERS WOMB? Come on, we all know we can JUSTIFY anything if we really want to and if it is preached enough we will believe it….hey, make it funny and now you got me.

    2) God established 3 institutions…MARRIAGE…GOVERNMENT….THE CHURCH. The bible says, “WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER LET NO MAN DEPART…Many see this only in marriage terms, but I see it to also mean…anything God has established including His word. God made man and woman in HIS IMAGE, both male and female He made them….and all the animals as well. He made them all to FIT PERFECTLY TOGETHER, not only physically but in other ways as well….it was the “FALL OF MAN’’…that screwed it all up after that; to say otherwise is to SLAP a HOLY GOD IN HIS FACE….telling Him that He didn’t know what he was doing, that man knows better. Wow that is a pretty bold statement that will have judgmental consequences later…PRIDE the fall of Satan and mankind. Anyway, point being…God instituted marriage to be between a man and woman only. Read the book of Geneses for all the verses.

    3) Gay Marriage will affect RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS….Since I’m not really up on all that, there is a link provided below that explains it. I do see how it could easily be another slippery slope of Government controlling what the church can say or do, if not lawsuits and other ramification will follow in the guise of HATE and DISCRIMINATION….OH, if only the STRAIGHT community knew how much INTOLERANCE and DISCRIMINATION is with the gay community…BI SEXUALS are actually hated, labeled, unfairly judged, and discriminated due to many misconceptions, anyway point being they FIGHT AMONG their own community and yet they act like they are different than the straight community or Christians. We are all human so no one is exempt from begin judged or judging others…it is what it is.

    So putting JUDGING and HATE aside…What is in the best interest of maintaining that which is SACRED, God’s WORD, our SOCIETY, our CHILDREN'S future, separation of CHURCH and STATE???...that is what this all should boil down to.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+...w=1024&bih=629
     

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