Is there a retitle suggestion for Calvinism and Arminianism

Wow, the other day I critiqued Roman Catholics for being "Christ Plus" (Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eucharist etc) for their salvation theology. As for me, my faith insists that salvation is by grace alone(sola gratia) but the only way thing that can replace salvation by grace alone is salvation by "Grace Plus" human effort. Hmmmmm.....

 

Quit yer whining. I offered you all a title. If the shoe fits wear it, if not I'm really curious as to why it doesn't fit. I'm not asking you to defend your doctrine.

 

Brand it for what it is, or not??? You didn't answer the question.

Again,

The Op asks for title, I think the one I offered accurately describes your view, if not, why not? Simply tell me what is inaccurate about the title I offered.

 

Sure....as long as you promise to take a long walk off a short pier..:tongue3: I personally view your groups perspective as anthropocentric vs our theocentric prospective.

 

SPOT ON!:thumbs:

 

I don't care what you think of my view, that is not the point of the tread. Seems you all are trying to avoid a simple a question here with a bunch of rhetoric. Hmmmm lol.

If you forgot the question, post #64

 

If they would man up, they'd note that their theology is akin to Copelands. God, according to his theology, and theirs is a helpless being until man let's Him in by faith.

Arminianism/non-cal theologies all exalt man, regardless if the resident arminian starts threads in a feeble attempt to say it's Cals who do so.

There is absolutely zero evidence "cals" exalt man, and more than ample proof proving the arms/non-cals do, even if they categorically deny it. The evidence is as the bleating of the sheep which Saul took.

 

Its not the question....its you and your attitude that I find offensive, all you do is attack....ah, so I will just block you from now on.

 

Again, its not about what you see wrong with my view or what I see wrong with yours. Do you have an answer to the question of how the title I offered is a true statement or not? Or are you now trying to replace your whining with personal attacks and pom poms?

 

...which is 100% accurate.

I've not witnessed an arminian or non-cal on here fight for the Glory of God as they do for the choice of man, or for man himself, period. Something is amiss with them.

 

Sounds like you's rather be an Ostrich that have to answer that question. I understand.

 

Not the point of the tread nor does it answer my question. My, look at the avoidance of such a simple question and the tactics being used to do it!

 

Yea ie,. even though God's grace is attractive and persuasive, its not powerful enough to triumph over those who stubbornly resist His love (that would have been me before being Born Again) ..... according to them I am assigned to hell....... :laugh:

 

Ben, you've to date not presented any theological evidence to support your man exalting theology. You and Copeland share the same theories and theological end: man. So do the balance of those within arminian and non-cal theologies.

Why should I care? You've been warned and admonished well beyond the Biblical mandate.

Carry on, but not by blessing.

 

If you'd man up you'd stop with all the childish personal attacks trying to turn every debate you can't handle into a smokescreen of a personal slugfest and simply answer the question, post #64.

 

Off topic whining...

Horse laugh-Ostrich approach I guess.

 

There you go proving you've lost with your pejoratives.

One more time: Your theology doesn't differ from Copelands. He, as well as you, render God incapable and unable to do a thing until man exercises faith within your theological framework.

But go ahead, pretend truth is a smokesreen and slugfest, then call those who show you truth names as you do, which is a work of the flesh. Afterall, you have behaved this way up until this point, so why not continue on the same path?

 

Yes however if you recall my earlier post about church service in 1905....those good people were fighting this "race to humanism" then so it isnt "New"

but the good news is..... My wife is now embracing Salvation / Doctrine of Grace Theology. She announced it last evening & my heart leapt for joy. 1st my brother & now her. :godisgood: