This is for those who would answer NO: 1. What, in your mind is the danger of speaking about a universal church? 2. What is your interpretation of Eph. 5 where christ "died for the church"? 3. Is this debate really just semantics? Are both sides saying the same things but using different words...Does it even matter? 4. If church refers to only local bodies, and we all know those are made of both true and false believers, then how does that fit?