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Is there an error in the old testament?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by xdisciplex, Nov 10, 2006.

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  1. xdisciplex

    xdisciplex New Member

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    1Ki 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

    The circumference is not 3 times the diameter. :confused:

    Do you know the answer? :type:
     
    #1 xdisciplex, Nov 10, 2006
  2. Ed Edwards

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    1 Kings 7:23 (KJV1611 Edition):

    And he made a moulten Sea, ten cubites from
    the one brim to the other: it was round all about,
    & his height was fiue cubits: and a line of thirtie cubites
    did compasse it round about.

    Who was 'he'? Why did 'he' make a molten sea?
    Anybody reading this ever have one of the following type
    College courses?

    Theory of Measurement
    History of Measurement
    Reliability & Accuracy

    If I have a meeting with you 'sevenish' is it alright if i
    show up at 6:45?
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Nov 10, 2006
  3. dispen4ever

    dispen4ever New Member

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    No. The error is in man's interpretation.
     
    #3 dispen4ever, Nov 10, 2006
  4. Amy.G

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    Circumference is approximately 3 times the diameter.
    1 cubit=approximately 18 inches
    The diameter of the sea was 10 cubits or 180 inches
    180 X 3.14=565.2 inches (circumference if a cubit=exactly 18 inches
    The circumference referred to in 1Kings: 30 cubits X 18 inches=540 inches
    A difference of 25.2
    There is no error. The cubit was an approximate measurement.
     
    #4 Amy.G, Nov 10, 2006
  5. xdisciplex

    xdisciplex New Member

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    I disagree with you. People realize that this is not correct and use this against the bible. If the bible wants to be scientifically accurate then it has to be accurate. What's next? 2+2= around 4?

    But thanks be to God there is an answer for this problem! :love2:

    Do you want to know it? :smilewinkgrin:
     
    #5 xdisciplex, Nov 11, 2006
  6. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
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    I read this explanation somewhere:

    The brim was a hand breadth thick (v. 26). If a hand breadth is 2/9 of a cubit, pi applies almost exactly:
    If 30 cubits is the measure of the circumference of the interior of the basin and 10 cubits is the diameter using the exterior of the basin, then the diameter using the interior of the basin, corresponding to the 30 cubits, is 9 and 5/9 cubits.
     
    #6 Jerome, Nov 11, 2006
  7. xdisciplex

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    This is not the explanation I read. :confused:
    Your explanation rather sounds like a christian was desperately trying to come up with an explanation.
     
    #7 xdisciplex, Nov 11, 2006
  8. Snitzelhoff

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    Well, then, by all means, tell us the explanation you read. :)
     
    #8 Snitzelhoff, Nov 12, 2006
  9. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Your response looks like an atheist desperately trying to disprove the Bible.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #9 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 12, 2006
  10. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this in principle because in simple geometry the device used to describe a circle is a line - defined as an object having no width (i.e. comprised of points lined up to make the line - and each point having no width). But a 3-D object will have width (thickness) to the "brim" and the term "Brim" can easily be understood to mean the inside rim vs the outside rim.

    If you "choose" the outside rim instead of the inside - then the problem comes up.

    If you "Choose the "inside rim" then the description is actually useful in making a copy since it is giving you both the circumference on the outside and the diameter of the inside.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #10 BobRyan, Nov 12, 2006
  11. xdisciplex

    xdisciplex New Member

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    No.
    I was simply surprised that there are also other explanations for this. I think that the explanation which I found sounds much more convincing but now where I saw that also other "explanations" exist I asked myself if not all explanations are simply made up in order to simply get an explanation. :confused:
    I don't think that it's very likely that there are various correct explanations at the same time. This cannot be. Only one of them can be correct. This is the one I found:

    http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/158/

    What do you think? I think Missler is a smart guy and when he says it's right then I think he's right.
     
    #11 xdisciplex, Nov 13, 2006
  12. Ed Edwards

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    1 Kings 7:23 (KJV1769 with Strong's Numbers):
    And he made6213 (853) a molten3332 sea,3220 ten6235
    cubits520 from the one brim4480, 8193 to5704
    the other:8193 it was round5696 all about,5439
    and his height6967 was five2568 cubits:520
    and a line6957 of thirty7970 cubits520
    did compass5437 it round about.5439

    Strongs entry:
    H520
    אמּה
    'ammâh
    am-maw'
    Prolonged from H517; properly a mother (that is, unit)
    of measure, or the forearm (below the elbow), that is,
    a cubit; also a door base (as a bond of the entrance):
    - cubit, + hundred [by exchange for H3967], measure, post.

    I don't believe the reference.
    'cubits' appears three times in the verse and
    each time it is 'am-maw'.
    For the source to have much validity, only
    the 30 cubits should be 'adjusted'.
     
    #12 Ed Edwards, Nov 13, 2006
  13. Gold Dragon

    Gold Dragon Well-Known Member

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    In math, the concept that explains this is called rounding.

    Acceptable precision of measurement was very different in OT times compared to today. We shouldn't impose our cultural
    expectations on the OT culture.
     
    #13 Gold Dragon, Nov 13, 2006
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