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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JeremyV, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Yes.

    Eternal Salvation- man passive. Temporal Salvation- man active.

    Regeneration- man passive. Conversion- man active.

    Birth from above- man passive. Entering the kingdom- man active.

    Born Again: The Doctrine of Effectual Calling

    The Two Phases of Sancitification

    Yea, I'll PM you back.
     
    #41 kyredneck, Jul 13, 2014
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    YES YES....good summary:thumbs:
     
    #42 Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 13, 2014
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    After 5 pages, lets have the discussion on Calvinism

    Calvinism can be defined every which way, so lets define it as believing in at least 4 of the 5 points of the Tulip,

    Total Spiritual Inability, fallen men are unable to seek God and trust in Christ.

    Unconditional Election, God chose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world, for salvation, for His purpose, but not through any aspect found in the foreseen individual such as faith.

    Limited Atonement, Christ died only for the Elect, referring to the supposed foreseen individuals chosen before the foundation of the world.

    Irresistible Grace, Fallen people, being unable to seek God or trust in Christ, are altered, enabled, so that they willingly and irresistible come to saving faith in Christ, and this quickening, this alteration is by "irresistible grace."

    Perseverance of the Saints, says once a person is saved, then He is kept by God and will continue in the faith until he physically dies. Those that depart from us were never of us, i.e. never actually saved.

    Now Jeremy, what would you like to discuss? :)
     
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    I wonder (and don't take this the wrong way) if you have sufficient understanding of Sovereign Grace to propose this as a topic of discussion. Perhaps it would be better to focus on why you don't subscribe to either Calvinism or Arminism.
     
    #44 Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 13, 2014
  5. JeremyV

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    Gone for a little while and wow. I think my purpose for this thread had been served. It is clear that that there are enough people interested to start an organized discussion.

    Considering the complexity of the issue ahead of us, I think it is not wise that we try to carry it on in one long thread. Instead I believe it would be better to divide the issue into smaller topics, each having it's own thread. By sticking to the topic in the given thread, I believe we will be less likely to be side tracked or to take on too much to chew at one time. For this reason I propose that we ask the moderator to close this thread and I will start another. I would suggest we first look into terminology as that seems to be on everyone's mind at the moment and in my mind is a good starting point.

    Before asking the moderator to close the thread I'd like to know if this sounds reasonable to you. Does the overall plan sound good? Does the first topic seem appropriate?
     
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    How would you respond to me then since my beliefs would line up with your definition of Monergism, and yet I reject Calvinism? The human will has nothing to do with regeneration, this is an act of God alone after one calls upon the Lord.
     
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    Good luck.
     
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    I gave you some chapters to read....
     
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    Yeah....I just wanna know what "mugwumpism" is...:laugh: :confused:
     
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    You need to elaborate.
    What is this foreseen business? Calvinists don't buy that stuff.
    Again, this so-called foreseen stuff is something alien to Calvinists.
    More correctly : Effectual Calling.
    Not a very objective rehearsal. If you really wanted to present what Calvinists believe you should have used the 1689 or the WCoF --all based on Scripture. Convicted1 pointed you in the right direction.
     
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    Pure outright confusionism.

    So confused that you're unable to see the stark contradiction between what you just stated and the clear teaching of scripture:

    who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1:13
     
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    "Mugwumpism" wants to 'have it both ways', and has it's roots in failure to 'rightly divide'.

    I anticipate steaver will fire back to me along these lines, 'Why didn't you include Jn 1:12?'

    We'll see.
     
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    Looking back, I realize that I never made it clear that the only purpose of this thread was to see if enough people were interested in an organized discussion. Because of this, I will not ask that this thread be closed. I have, however, gone ahead and started another thread for the purpose of defining terms:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2127505#post2127505

    Join me if you are interested.
     
    #53 JeremyV, Jul 14, 2014
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    Placing faith in jesus on order to get saved is NOT a good work adding to grace though!
     
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    This thread is closed.
     
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