Is this a case of religious discrimination?

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  1. Johnv

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    What would you think if you saw this story in the paper:

    ANAHEIM, Calif. - Seven Jewish families filed a lawsuit accusing the owner of an apartment complex of religious and housing discrimination.

    The suit, filed in Orange County Superior Court, alleges that the owner and the manager of Chaumont Villas refused to make repairs to apartments, prohibited Jewish children from playing in public areas and harassed Jewish families because of their faith.

    The complex manager called the lawsuit baseless.

    Terry M. Mousa, one of the plaintiffs, said he, his wife and three children lived for three years in their $1,450-a.m.onth, 3-bedroom unit with no problems. A new manager arrived a year ago and began referring to Jewish tenants with profanity and routinely harassing Jewish children, he said.

    Mousa circulated a petition in June seeking a new manager and asking for repairs to units. Mousa was later evicted.

    Pat Mitchell, a vice president for property management firm Swami International, one of the defendants, said Mousa was evicted for causing friction between Jewish tenants and the apartment manager.

    "This is nothing more than a landlord-tenant dispute," Mitchell said. Mousa "has been harassing the manager and not allowing her to do her job. ... We can't have somebody creating a hostile environment."
     
  2. Filmproducer

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    If the allegations are true, then yes, it is religious discrimination. However, I don't believe there is enough information to determine if the allegations are true. Was Mousa's family the only Jewish tennent evicted? Were the six other families also evicted? Was everybody in the complex affected by non-repairs, not just Jewish families? What are the rules for children in public areas? In my complex there are certain common areas where children are not allowed to play. IMO, it boils down to not having enough information to make an informed decision.
     
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    It's a trick question.
     
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    Need more info.
     
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    I would think it was just another half hearted attempt by a journalist to get something printed by the deadline - instead of going after more details.
     
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    If the allegations are accurate - yes.
    If there is more to the story - maybe not.

    If he did refer to the Jewish tennants with profanity - he needs to be removed. Period.
     
  7. Johnv

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    Here's the actual AP newswire story as it happenned last month:

    ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) - Seven Muslim families filed a lawsuit accusing the owner of an apartment complex of religious and housing discrimination.

    The suit, filed in Orange County Superior Court, alleges that the owner and the manager of Chaumont Villas refused to make repairs to apartments, prohibited Muslim children from playing in public areas and harassed Muslim families because of their faith.

    The complex manager called the lawsuit baseless.

    Tawfiq M. Mousa, one of the plaintiffs, said he, his wife and three children lived for three years in their $1,450-a.m.onth, 3-bedroom unit with no problems. A new manager arrived a year ago and began referring to Muslim tenants with profanity and routinely harassing Muslim children, he said.

    Mousa circulated a petition in June seeking a new manager and asking for repairs to units. Mousa was later evicted.

    Pat Mitchell, a vice president for property management firm Swami International, one of the defendants, said Mousa was evicted for causing friction between Muslim tenants and the apartment manager.

    "This is nothing more than a landlord-tenant dispute," Mitchell said. Mousa "has been harassing the manager and not allowing her to do her job. ... We can't have somebody creating a hostile environment."


    Now that you've seen the actual story, does it change your viewpoint at all?
     
  8. carpro

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    Still need more info, but in my mind the idea that it actually may be religious discrimination, is more likely than it was.
     
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    Not really. Still a case of he said/she said. More evidence is still need to corroborate the claims of the defendant and justification for eviction. Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Chinese, Italians, Rednecks ... the group doesn't really matter.
     
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    I still say the same thing. If the allegations are true, it is religious discrimination. I still need more info, though. Given the general tension in our country over the Islamic faith, I am more inclined to believe some sort of discrimination occurred.
     
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    Gold Dragon,

    In the United States discrimination laws tend to lean toward the person who feels discriminated against. If they can prove that this person said anything about Jews, he will be considered guilty. If they can prove that he treated these tenants differently than anyone who was in a similiar circumstance, but not Jewish, he will be considered guilty. For instance, even if he was a horrible tenant, if he was not treated the same way as another horrible tenant, he has a case.
     
  12. Gold Dragon

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    TexasSky, I should clarify that my quote above, was in response to this question below, not the OP question.

     
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    Thank you, Gold Dragon. My apologies for misunderstanding what you were referring to.

    And my answer is the same as yours.

    The story doesn't carry enough information to allow me to form an opinion about the legalities involved.
     
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    BTW - Are we doing someone's homework for them or is this just a general question to the board?

    If we're doing your homework for you - please let us know.
     
  15. Gold Dragon

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    No prob. I saw how I phrased my response poorly to be easily misunderstood. That quote feature is invaluable in message boards.
     
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    I have no problem with discriminating against islamofacists or their families.


    Repent! [​IMG]
     
  17. Johnv

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    Comments like that make me ashamed to be a Christian, let alone Baptist.

    I'm sure you'll likewise have no problem if a landlord discriminates against a renter who has AIDS.
     
  18. Gold Dragon

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    But US law does.

     
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    This is just a general question. The apartment complex in question is very near where I work. I pass it frequently. In fact, it's one of the apartments I looked at before I bought my house (I chose a complex that was only 2 blocks from work). It's an average apartment complex that I wouldn't have a problem living in, or recommending if someone said "anyone know of a good amartment to rent?".

    Well, the way this came to be a post was that a person at work (I'll call her Tracy), who lives in a nearby apartment (belonging to a different management company), heard about this before it made the news. But in talking about it at work, Tracy mistakenly said it was some Jewish families who were facing discrimination. A few days later (still before this story was printed), Tracy corrected herself and said it was Muslim families. BTW, I asked her if their religion was obvious in their dress. She said no, they dressed like anyone else would. The woman didn't wear headscarves and the children didn't look any different than any other children. I must acknowlege that any time I've driven past there, I could never see any visible difference among any of the residents.

    At work, most people agreed: It didn't matter what religion they were. Presuming the info is correct, discrimination is wrong. But one person completely changed his tune when he found out they were Muslims instead of Jews. Now, this guy is a complete certifiable card-carrying owner of white sheets in the closet. He doesn't like anyone: Pureto Ricans, Catholics, Fundamentalist, Muslims, etc. In fact, when he thought it was a Jewish family, he commented "they should just hook up with a Jew banker, buy the complex and fire the manager".
     
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    See, I knew it was a trick question.

    You are so predictable, Johnv. ;)
     

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