1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Is use of the "Pill" abortion?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by jdcanady, May 14, 2005.

  1. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,501
    Likes Received:
    1,241
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Wow, do I ever disagree with that statement Paul!

    ergo less brain = less soul???

    Brain damaged = worthless????

    Anyway, back to topic:

    Birth control works three ways:

    1. The oral birth control hormones prevent ovulation (reduces the amount of eggs leaving the ovary).

    2. They cause the mucus of the cervix to thicken, making it more difficult for sperm to reach the egg (reduces the ability of the sperm to reach the egg).

    3. They also cause the lining of the uterus becomes thinner, making it less receptive to an egg's implanting in it. (reduces the ability of the fertilized egg to attach to the uterus).

    It's the last one that I have a problem with! Some may think that what you don't know won't hurt.
    I think it's an abortion of ignorance.

    I personally am not sure exactly where life starts but my wife and I choose to err on the side of life.

    Rob
     
  2. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    No.
     
  3. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    In this instance I think your assumption is ignorant!
     
  4. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    [​IMG]
     
  5. jdcanady

    jdcanady Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Messages:
    393
    Likes Received:
    0
    To Terry

    I appreciate your short answer ("no"). Could you elaborate?
     
  6. Scarlett O.

    Scarlett O. Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,384
    Likes Received:
    944
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What if she doesn't desire him or doesn't feel well or is tired....or well, you know...if she just doesn't desire him at the same time.

    I know all about the verse that says the wife's body belonging to the husband and the husband's body belonging to the wife and not abstaing from sex for petty reasons.

    I'm not picking on you. Just explain what you mean. It's late and I should be in bed and perhaps I have interpreted you incorrectly.

    Peace-
    S.O.
    <><
     
  7. Scarlett O.

    Scarlett O. Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,384
    Likes Received:
    944
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The primary pill that most people think of when discussing "the Pill" contains estrogen and progestin. This stops ovulation and therefore prevents conception. This is the 21 day or 28 day pack pill. Estrogen therapy is something to really monitor. Even women who have gone through menapause and are taking hormone replacement therapy should be cautious, but not frightened to death.

    The "Minipill" contains only progestin. Women are opting for this pill because of a lower hormone dosage. It can stop ovulation but not always. A woman will definitely KNOW if ovulation is stopped or not. If she is still having a menstrual cycle, then she is still ovulating. The minipill can also make if virtually impossible for sperm to reach any still available eggs by adding more cervical "mucus". It also can make it difficult for a fertilized egg to implant itself.

    Peace-
    S.O.
    <><
     
  8. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    It's all semantics. As far as I am concerned, to keep the sperm and egg from uniting or keeping the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus wall is the same thing.
     
  9. danrusdad

    danrusdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2004
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    Its not the same thing because a separated sperm and egg do not genetically equal a human being, but a fertilized egg is genetically a human being and therefore life. Deliberately taking a pill that prevents that life from developing is the same as killing it willfully.
     
  10. Paul of Eugene

    Paul of Eugene New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2001
    Messages:
    2,782
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  11. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    I thought we gave up such debates way back during the mythical debates about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  12. jdcanady

    jdcanady Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Messages:
    393
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't believe angels are myths, and I don't believe this debate is a mere mental exercise. If we believe life begins at conception (a very specific point in time and space, not an abstract reference) then we must consider the consequences that may result from our actions.
     
  13. Paul of Eugene

    Paul of Eugene New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2001
    Messages:
    2,782
    Likes Received:
    0
    Once upon a time there were a bunch of baptists who espoused the heretical idea that baptism does not save; instead, it should only be administered to people who have chosen to believe as a sign of their belief, and it should be by immersion.

    The established church was aghast at such practices. Why, these people were actually jeapordizing the salvation of helpless infants by these heretical teachings! Persecutions followed, all in the name of keeping infants safe.


    Today an uneasy truce between the pedobaptizers and the baptists persists, forged partly from necessity of accomodation and the uselessness of continuing to persecute on such grounds.

    History will repeat on the issue of birth control. There will be those who are horrified at a fertilized cell that fails to implant and therefore dies . . . . calling it a loss of life. But the practice will continue to be widespread and universal and the very need to accomodate will cause the issue to go on the back burner.

    If you don't like that phenomenon, at least be grateful you are no longer being persecuted for neglecting the baptism of your babies.

    PS: no brain = no soul
     
  14. Jim1999

    Jim1999 <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    1
    Did someone say angels were myths? I missed that.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  15. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    This is your opinion. I have a different opinion. Before I am accused, let me say that I do not like abortion and would not approve of one unless the life of the mother is at stake.
     
  16. Rachel

    Rachel New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    3,939
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yep, that's just common sense to me.
    I've said this before...churches need to talk about this ALOT more.
     
  17. danrusdad

    danrusdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2004
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is your opinion. I have a different opinion. Before I am accused, let me say that I do not like abortion and would not approve of one unless the life of the mother is at stake. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you saying that a fertilized egg is not the same genetically as you and I?

    My "opinion" is irrelevant, as is yours. This is a matter of science. Genetically there is no difference between a fertilized egg and a fully formed adult. 46 chromosomes = 46 chromosomes.
     
  18. TaterTot

    TaterTot Guest

    I took that to mean that a separated sperm and a separated egg are not fertilized, thus not a human being. Maybe I missed it.
     
  19. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    9,501
    Likes Received:
    1,241
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Further note: The morning after pill works by preventing implantation of the fertilized egg into the uterus.

    Rob
     
  20. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,362
    Likes Received:
    668
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Speaking of chemical changes...God built a mechanism into women so that at a certain point in their lives, their reproductive mechanisms de-activate. This is a BIG-TIME natural chemistry change.

    However, unlike animals, WE, man & woman, can still engage in "relations" with as much pleasure as we could in our childbearing years. This is another proof that God made our whole sexual experiance both for procreation AND pleasure.

    But I'm getting off the subject. I believe there's nothing wrong with the pill's use by a married couple, with both partners in full knowlewdge.

    As for me, personally...After our 2nd child was born, as per our plans before we were married, I went to see the doc, and...SNIP! My wife was "snipped" immediately following my 2nd son's birth. We had agreed on 2 kids only, and thus we avoided any chemicals, etc.
     
Loading...