Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?

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  1. Martin

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    This is a article by Dr Albert Mohler (president Southern Baptist Seminary) on the issue of homosexuality and biology. He makes alot of great points mainly in the "Ten Points" he closes his article with. It is amazing that I, as a Bible believing, evangelical, reformed Christian, have been saying those things for years. However I am glad to see a major Bible believing, evangelical, reformed Christian leader now saying the same thing.

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    I think he has become deceived. God would not "make gay"...and then command man (after the fall) not to have sex with other men. God does not tempt.

    If you buy this argument, then we shouldn't punish murderers, child molesters, drug users or any other sinful acts. They were all "made that way".
     
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    Web I have a problem with that argument. Who made me attracted to women, but then said that I can only be with one. And said that I can not be with any women until I get married to her.

    Even though we are made to be attracted to women, God holds us responsable to control our attractions. Even though we are designed to be attracted to women, it is reconized that we are responsable to control ourselfs and not act on those urges.

    I think the whole argument "are people born gay or do they choose to be gay" Is pointless and is designed to distract from the real argument. It is impossable to prove either way and gives the pro gay side the upper hand in the discussion.

    That argument should be

    Wether someone is born gay or chooses to be gay it is wrong and they are responsable for their actions.

    And when the other side says. Would God make somebody gay and then tell them they can not act on it.

    I answer. I was born attracted to women, but we both agree that it would be wrong for me to act on that attraction with any women other then my wife. EVEN if I was designed to be attracted to them.
     
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    ==Clearly you did not carefully read what Dr Mohler was saying.

    From Mohler's article:

    "Given the consequences of the Fall and the effects of human sin, we should not be surprised that such a causation or link is found. After all, the human genetic structure, along with every other aspect of creation, shows the pernicious effects of the Fall and of God's judgment...The biblical condemnation of all homosexual behaviors would not be compromised or mitigated in the least by such a discovery. The discovery of a biological factor would not change the Bible's moral verdict on homosexual behavior." (points 3 & 4).
     
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    This is a tough one. As recently as a generation ago, children with physical handicaps were (hopefully) accepted as part of God's will. But now that the cures are around the corner, or actually available now, we are all jumping on the bandwagon. Would I opt for the patch?

    Yes.
     
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    What if a pre-natal treatment were developed that ensured a tall, blonde, blue-eyed boy? Would you go for that? Oh, I guess there was a lot of work done on that back in the late 30's and 40's and they couldn't get it right.
     
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    There is no sin in those..
     
  8. Martin

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    I think that most of the responses "so far" have missed the point of Dr Mohler's argument totally. Please read the article carefully and thoughtfully before replying. The post and article are not going any place so don't think you have to rush a reply.
     
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    I say Amen and Amen to this article!!!!


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    Here is the main point that troubles me:


    8. If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin.


    With that sort of rationale, do you think these folks could also 'cure' heterosexuality, too? No danger that your child might commit fornication at all!

    A biochemical chastity belt ...
     
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    Since we are not born gay the whole idea is absurd.
     
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    Like the man said, this is something we may very likely just have to deal with.

    We dealt with the fact that the earth is round allright. We can handle this. He handles it very well.
     
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    The article was very interesting. Mohler is right to begin thinking about such things.

    Having said that, one point has not been made yet in this thread, so I will shyly and quietly in my own little way :)smilewinkgrin: ) make the point.

    Romans 1:26-27 teaches very clearly that homosexuality is against nature. This has to mean it is even against fallen nature. If it is against nature then I doubt very seriously that the scientists will find the cause of it in nature--that is in the genetic makeup of humans. It is a sin that humans must force themselves to go against nature to commit.

    Another point: sin arises from the sin nature. Unless you interpret the Biblical term "flesh" to always mean our physical bodies, then the cause of sin is not in our bodies but in our soul, and that is the normal interpretation down through the ages of the "flesh" passages.
     
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    :applause: Bravo, J of J!:applause:
     
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    Did any of us choose to be heterosexual? I didn't. I just am.

    I have no problem with the idea that due to man's fallen nature that people are homosexual in orientation through no choice of their own.

    Just as I as a heterosexual(through no choice of my own) cannot morally have relations with anyone other than my wife, so a person who is a homosexual(through no choice of his/her own) cannot morally have relations with someone of his/her own gender.
     
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    The most "thought out" post in this forum. Readers would do well to "soak in" J of J's wisdom!!! Seriously!!! Thanks, J of J!!!
     
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    Agreed. J of J has it right.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    ==I am sure they could invent a "biochemical chastity belt" if they put their mind to it. Seriously though if we can come up with a way to help people avoid, from the start of their lives, the sin of homosexuality then I think that is a good thing (Matt 5:27-30, Mk 9:42-50). Granted avoiding any particular sin will not cause a person to be right with God since that can only be done through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However if there is a sin we can help people avoid I think that is a good thing. Alot of people struggle with this tempation and I think those people, some of whom are Christians, would be greatly helped by this research. More than that if there is a biological underpinning to their temptation then it may help explain why they continue to struggle and it could lead to some medical procedure that may help them solve their struggle. I can't see where that is a bad thing.

    Could this knowledge be abused? I think so. However that is true for almost every technology or knowledge that we have. Anything can be abused.
     
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    Thank you for the kinds words. God's wisdom, amen? :type:
     
  20. Martin

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    ==Again let's read the article carefully and thoughtfully before replying. Al Mohler is not saying that people are "born gay". Anyone who reads the article will know that. What Dr Mohler is saying is simply that the fall and the curse have affected every area of human life and that it is possible, but by no means certain, that there maybe a biological underpinning to homosexual tempatations. To deny this is to deny the effects of the fall.
     
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