Is your Bible 100% reliable?

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  1. Alex Mullins

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    I attend and am involved in a big way, a church where whatever version of the Bible you want to use is OK. Even though I am KJV only, for me to alienate myself from those who hold other views would certainly be a victory for Satan, which was his objective when he caused brilliant, but ungodly, men to become involved in the translation of His Holy Word.

    My church, even though the pure word of the KJV is not heard much, except by a few who care and have studied the topic has five Pastors, all who have a deep burden for the lostin our community and around the world. over 30% of our annual budget goes directly to missions. We have many ministries to encourage and strengthen believers.

    God is at work in this body, in spite of the versions!

    One need look no further than the lives of Westcott and Hort to understand why and how God's precious word has been under attack these past 120 years. There is ample aevidence that these two were into things that Bible Christians should not be involved in.

    Even though I hold the KJV to be God's pure and perfect word for me today, in my language, I also know that the Bible, in and of itself, has no saving power. Praise God, He works in spite of the way mankind has mutilated His word, really, since The garden of Eden when Satan himself planted that seed of doubt by saying (to the woman) "Yea, hath God said? (Gen 3: 1). In contemporary terms , that means "Indeed, has God said?" which casts doubt on His word.

    With the invention of the printing press over 100 years ago we now have over 200 "versions" of God's word, each one easier to read than the next, each one mutilating and twisting the precious word until, today, we live in a world where men are without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. (2 Tim:3)

    Even though I know the answers in my heart, I still ask two basic questions when given the opportunity.

    1. Knowing the subtle and evil intents of Satan and his hatred of the Word, Why would he not do all in his poer to get into it, pervert it and attempt to make it less effective in every way possible by casting doubt on it's reliability? This is the first and most obvious way he could succeed in getting us to divide, drawing attention away from our real mission.

    2. Knowing the mind and the great power of our living God, why would He give it to man perfect
    in the originals and then "lose it". What good is the word if it is not 100% relieable? His very nature and His Word promises that He "would not have us ignorant" (Romans 1: 13) and we can count on his word from generation to generation (Psalms 12: 6 - 7) which is our assurance that the righteous can find comfort in the pure and valued Word of God.

    So, knowing that we have it we have only to ask ourselves "Which one is it, since they are all a little different"?

    After studying the history fo this precious Word, from the Garden of Eden to the present, it is withouth a doubt the tried, tested and proven product of the TR, the KJV. All the others are mear concordances, man's version of what God really said.

    Thanks for allowing me to enlighten you all who believe otherwise. If you are truly saved, you will possess that desire to pursue truth and the Holy Spirit will lead you to it, as He did me.

    Remember, oldest is not always best and, if you are a true, blood-bought, born-again believer Satan will be the victor if you dislike me for my belief.

    Must run to worship and try to win a few more sould today with the help of my brothers and sister.

    God Bless as you search for that elusive truth.

    Don't forget to turn back your clock.

    AV Alex
     
  2. ScottEmerson

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    My question would be: What about those who speak and read only French? Has God preserved His Word for them?

    Why did God decide to preserve the Word only in four languages - Hebrew, Aramaic (for the half of Daniel), Greek, and English? Why not preserve the Word in German, Latin, Swahili, Afrikaans, Mandarin, Hindi, or Icelandic?
     
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    Because God's plan was in English. That's why our country is blessed beyond all others.
     
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    Alex: "Even though I know the answers in my heart, I still ask two basic questions when given the opportunity."

    I, an MV-onlyist (KJV1769-preferred) always
    ask this question:

    Is the KJV1611 contaminated by Jesuits?
    (what with the Apocrypha and pesky sidenotes)
    (this leaves the KJV1769 so this form
    of KJVOnly becomes KJV1769only)

    Are you and any of the following
    are alright: KJV1611, KJV1769, or KJV1873?

    God bless your journy in life with
    Christ Jesus.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Jim1999

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    I like all my Bibles. They each add a different flavour and lift up my Lord and Saviour. It is easy to pick holes. Maybe it is time to see the Lord through it all and get on with it.

    As far as any country being specially blessed because it has a Bible in English, that is a lot of hogwash. If America is specially blessed, I am glad I live in Canada. I can still walk down the street without fear of being attacked, murdered, raped, pillaged. Why, we have to speed through Detroit to get through without losing our hubcaps.....You call that blessed!!!!!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  6. rsr

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    Alex said:

    Either you are a troll or are severely misguided. In either case, this forum will not put up with you.
     
  7. mioque

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    Alex
    :rolleyes:
    Homebound
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Hey I'm not a native English speaker, what do you expect?
    As my mother always says:" The USA is a wonderfull place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there."
     
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    Alex implies "Satan will be the victor if you dislike me for my belief."

    Nobody dislikes you, Alex, for your belief. You can believe anything you'd like. It's how you "express it" that will cause people to endure, pity or embrace you.

    Most of us just pity. [​IMG]

    And we try to be extra nice to Canadians since they have so many things going against them anyway! :rolleyes:
     
  9. Alex Mullins

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    Ed:

    I feel that it is important for me to know, without a doubt, that I can study God's Word and know that every word is excatly what He said and it is where He wants it to be.

    If rsr is content with 200 flawed perversions of the Word....that is his business. He is entitled to his own wrong opinion, and I, mine.

    I am not aware that the Jesuits or the Church of Rome ever had the opportunity to corrupt the Textus Receptus. If they did, then I could believe that we do not have the pure word of God today. I believe that the God of the Bible, who inspired the Word could, and did, preserve the word.

    The French, too, can have the pure Word if it has been translated by those who are born of the spirit from TR manuscripts.

    I have no problem with the revised (not totally re-written) KJV of 1769 and/or 1873. In those revisions, I am comfortable that only the language was updated and that entire passages were not corrupted or deleted and humanistic thoughts added for embelishment, as in all of the modern versions, NKJV invluded.

    There seems to be such a hatred of the KJV today, particularly among young people and recent bible school graduates. This only confirms my belief that what I say is true.

    It is entirely possible that it is time, again, for another revision.

    I can assure rsr that I am not a troll. Nor am I misguided. I forgive him for the name-calling and I wish him much peace and happiness.

    As a defender of the pure, perfect Word of God, the KJV, I have become accustomed to that over the past 30 years. I see his response only as a defence mechanism used by those who have never studied the history of the Bible and have no desire or interest to do so.

    God Bless.

    Let's go win some souls, OK.

    Alex

    PS: Jim, I am a Canadian too. The U.S is the best friend we have ever had. I think Canada is a better place to live only because this is where our grandkids are. Canadians owe whatever prosperity we have directly to our relationship with the U.S. and the unfettered access they have given us to their marketplace.

    Someday we hope to retire there, in a warmer climate, Lord willing.

    When they suffer, we should suffer along side of them. The U.S. has protected us from invasion for over 100 years, because we have nothing to protect ourselves with. We should hang our heads in shame at the treatment our present Government has displayed to the best friend we have ever had. I think I speak for thousands of Canadians when I say this. it would have been a different story if it was the CN Tower that was hit on 9/11. If it happened today, it would be a great thing to see our PM going, hat in hand, to beg for their help.

    Detroit is a beautiful city and we have enjoyed many visits there. I have never felt the need to speed up as I go through Detroit. Those folks need the Lord too and it would do us well to slow down and share Him with those we come in contact with.
     
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    Because God's plan was in English. That's why our country is blessed beyond all others. </font>[/QUOTE]The Indians preceded the English in America.

    Are you sure about what ou said? So many other nations have said the same thing in the past.

    200 Years As Average Civilization

    What is past is prologue. History repeats itself as time marches on. A study of history shows that the great civilizations of the world have averaged about 200 years. The people of the world have followed this timetable.

    The people go:
    From slavery to spiritual faith
    From spiritual faith to courage
    From courage to liberty
    From liberty to abundance
    From abundance to selfishness
    From selfishness to apathy
    From apathy to dependence
    From dependence back to slavery.
    —The Bible Friend

    (From encyclopedia of 15,000 Illustrations)

    Prov. 16:18, "Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling."
     
  11. RaptureReady

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    So gb93433, do you believe our country, the United States of America is blessed because of God's word or what?
     
  12. rsr

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    Alex, I apologize for the abruptness of my first post.

    However, calling modern translations "perversions" will not win you a hearing here.
     
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    Alex,

    Just a couple of quick questions...

    How do you know that Satan didn't have a hand involved with the translation of the KJV? I'm not accusing the KJV of it, but how do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt?

    If the KJV is God's Only Bible, what do you say to those who hae come to know and love the Lord without one? Many people have never even heard of a KJV Bible, much less read one. Are they doomed to hell because they haven't sworn allegience to a translation of the Bible?

    I, along with Dr. Bob, want the chapter and verse on God preserving His word only through the King James. I have heard all of the garbage that I care to hear about KJVO. I have nothing against the KJV, and use it, but I do not see this dogmatic claim as anything other that blatant ignorance put on display.

    Please explain how the KJV is the Only Bible. Forget the such-and-such left out this, and such-and-such left out that. Any idiot can see that, and the KJV left out its share as well. I want some solid proof, not a fool's errand. I do not ask this as a way of belittlement, but as a way of trying to understand your position.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  14. Ransom

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    Alex Mullins said:

    I feel that it is important for me to know, without a doubt, that I can study God's Word and know that every word is excatly what He said

    So please tell us: Which specific edition of the KJV is the one in which God put down every word exactly?
     
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    The nations whose God is the Lord will be exalted and blessed. But the nation who is proud will fall. It is not because of us or God's word but because of a nation's obedience to God's word. My opinion is that a democratic nation can become very corrupt by the majority if the majority are corrupt. We must pray for the leaders and that our nation will be be humble before God. Nations are nothing more than men. God exalts and destroys entire nations. We have seen to demise of godless nations just a few years ago. Look at Russia and Germany and the glodless men in Afghanistian and Iraq also. I have watched Ethiopia go from a fee country to a communist country and back to a free country. Look at the immense power of the Roman Empire it once had. Look at where the Reformation began. Look at where the Great Awakenings began in America. If we do not make God our God then we become gods to ourselves and we become the changing standard.

    We must not ever exalt ourselves but we must thank and exalt God. We must never think that we can get lazy and be lax in our approach to God. I thank God for a current President that speaks openly of his relatiionship with God. When I participated in the BGEA crusade in San Antonio, TX he spoke of how Billy Graham had affected his family. Let us pray for our President as he seeks God to lead our nation. But never let us rely on him alone. Let us rely on God as a nation.

    I don't know about many of you, but I am encouraged by the faith I see in our President often more than I am by those in the pulpits of our churches. He has not bowed down to the liberals and those who criticize him for his faith in Jesus Christ. He has testified of his faith that has been broadcasted worldwide. We can thank God for a leader like that who seeks to know the true God who is. We may not agree with all his decisions but we can pray that God will give him the wisdom to make the proper decisions. Once after I heard a presidential advisor speak I thought about all the decisions the President must make and who am I to ever criticize him because I don't have but just maybe a few facts.
     
  16. Jim1999

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    I believe Billy Graham and other Christians in the USA spoke the same of Richard Nixon....Bush lied about his driving whilst drunk charge until a Texas reporter brought it out in public. Anyone can talk a good talk about faith in God. I will give him the benefit of doubt, but I have a lot of questions.

    Why didn't more stand behind Jimmy Carter, who not only professed a twice born experience, but has continued to show his faith by his works?

    We don't have any theocracies to-day. We have mortal men and mixed societies, and ever it shall be. There is no blessed nation to-day. It is a false claim. America is no more blessed than any other free country. In fact, I can see many areas where it is the very pit of hell. Stand back, my friend, and see the trees in the forest. There are all kinds, some rotting, some blooming and some just starting.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  17. TomVols

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    Is the Word of God 100% reliable? Yes.

    Next question please? [​IMG]
     
  18. Terry_Herrington

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    Back to the original question about whether or not my Bible is totally reliable.

    Yes, my KJV is totally reliable. [​IMG]
     
  19. Jim1999

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    A circle is a circle, isn't it?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  20. Alex Mullins

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    Trotter asks:

    How do you know that Satan didn't have a hand involved with the translation of the KJV? I'm not accusing the KJV of it, but how do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt?


    I say that the KJV and it's predecessors derived from the TR and the Byzantine manuscripts were preserved by God as he promised . If you believe that God has preserved his word, perfect, it can be in no other translation. Just to know that, gives me great comfort. To believe that all versions are corrupt and we do not have 100% reliable, inerrant, infallable Word of God in the English language today would cause me to doubt God's word. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt in the same way I know He sent His only begotten Son to die for me.

    Trotter asks:

    If the KJV is God's Only Bible, what do you say to those who have come to know and love the Lord without one? Many people have never even heard of a KJV Bible, much less read one. Are they doomed to hell because they haven't sworn allegience to a translation of the Bible?

    I say, the Bible has no saving power in and of itself. It is an instruction book for righteous living. I know of no one who has never heard of the KJB. iIt has stood the test of time for almost 400 years. People doom themselves to hell regardless of a book. Salvation is a heart condition and no book will save them or condemn them.


    I, along with Dr. Bob, want the chapter and verse on God preserving His word only through the King James. I have heard all of the garbage that I care to hear about KJVO. I have nothing against the KJV, and use it, but I do not see this dogmatic claim as anything other that blatant ignorance put on display.

    Why do you find it so hard to believe that God would PRESERVE His Word for us? Why, do you think He would want us to have less? Why , do you think Satan would simply overlook tinkering and tampering with that precious Word to make our Christian witness and testimony less effective . How is your testimony, witness and salvation affected because I believe the KJV is the pure word of God and all of the others are not.

    Please explain how the KJV is the Only Bible. Forget the such-and-such left out this, and such-and-such left out that. Any idiot can see that, and the KJV left out its share as well. I want some solid proof, not a fool's errand. I do not ask this as a way of belittlement, but as a way of trying to understand your position.

    The KJV is NOT the only Bible. It is the only true, pure perfect Bible. There are over 200 Bibles out there, each one easier to read than the one previous. Even an idiot like myself can see that. I will pray that you will see it too Trotter. Psalms 12 6 - 7 is the promise. The verses that deal with the intents of satan to discourage, divide and defeat are too numerous to mention.
    In Christ,
    Trotter
     

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