ISAY - Why do you believe there's a God?

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  1. CubeX

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    This is the first article of the ISAY series. ISAY stands for "If Someone Asked You" and will attempt to give accurate and sufficient answers to difficult questions regarding the Christian belief. One note to all readers though: Please research these topics yourself! There is so much evidence for the belief in God and Christianity that it needs to be known by individuals to stand up in an Intelligence Age.

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    "How can you say there is a God?"

    Webster defined God as - "the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe".

    Who is "God"?
    - Creator
    - Ruler
    - Perfect

    If there is a God, then God would have to be perfect. There could be nothing lacking of Him. In His perfection, He would be all-powerful and all-knowing. These things are only attributes of God. They can in no way belong to another unless another claims to be God. If a Being claims to be God, then these attribute would be required.

    We will look at God through the eyes of science. He is not observable, but His "works" would be. Creation would be our argument here. Let's define creation as the act of bringing forth first life. This will leave the discussion open to further studies of theistic evolution as well as creationism.

    Many people like to argue that the cell is very complex and therefore could not arise from evolution. However, they are not talking of the simplest cell.The

    "Top-down approaches seem to point to a minimum genome size of slightly more than 200 genes." (http://scienceweek.com/2005/sw050325-1.htm)

    This is certainly not what most people refer to though. This simplest cell form must be able to survive (eat, excrete, etc.) and pass on its information (reproduce). However complicated these issues are, there is something more complicated: the left-handedness and right-handedness of DNA. The chances for this to occur by natural causes is 1 in 10 to the 33,113 power. Science defines 10 to the 50 power as impossible.

    If it would be impossible for life to begin by itself, there is only one other conclusion: something or someone made it. God had to have made it.*

    This is a very detailed subject which should be verifyed individually. I do not have a book of mine which really affected me on this topic. Once it is returned to me (I loaned it to a friend for the same reasons I read it), I will post more on here.

    In the meantime, I encourage everyone to take a look at the articles on www.answersingenesis.org
    They are great!

    -David

    *We will look into the belief that an extraterrestrial life-form could have made the earth in the near future.
     
  2. P_Barnes

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    This is nothing but Aristotle's "First Cause" argument brought forward.

    The problem is that you are making the "argument from incredulity". If even the simplest of cells requires a designer, then the designer is necessarily even more complicated and therefore in even greater need of a designer himself using this logic.

    It creates an infinte regress and serves only to create the unanswerable question of "what created God?".

    [ March 28, 2005, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: P_Barnes ]
     
  3. CubeX

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    True, what I put forth was only a case for intelligent design.

    Your argument though brings about a need to derive whom this "God" is. "Who or What created God?" is a perfectly reasonable argument until we realize that an absolute Being cannot be bound by space and time. If God is not bound by these laws, then there is no problem for there to be an infinite God.

    Trying to grasp this infiniteness of God is unimaginable. Why? Because we live in a finite space and time. (Later I will bring forth the Hubble arguments on the limitations of space.)

    If God created time "in the beginning", then there is no restraint by time. He created it.

    -David
     
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    Wrong. (Unless you want to argue that each cell IS "infinite God")

    Simply put - there is no reason to argue your point that God needs a creatior on the basis that once you observe the obvious principle of intelligent design in nature (that is NOT eternal and infinite -) THEN you must also extend it to the eternal, infinite God.


    Your logic uses circular reasoning.

    God is the infinite eternal and needs no creator -- IF CELLS are ALSO the infinite eternal - then they need no creator as well.

    Otherwise the argument for design holds.

    See?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  5. csmith

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    God forced my being to believe in him. His persuasion on the human heart is inexplainable. Being moved by the Spirit to repentence and faith (belief) cannot be reproduced or detailed adequately.
     
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    The only possible answers to the problem of first cause are "God" and "always was." God speaks to some people while always was is dumb. pun intended
     
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    I believe there's a God because of faith. I know that sounds too simple, but that is what we have.

    Joseph Botwinick
     

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