Islamo-Christian Tradition (?)

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  1. Bismarck

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    On various religious forums I frequent — including but not limited to BaptistBoard.com — I am finding many "christian" users who post inflammatory remarks about Islam, while lauding Israel and America's "Judaeo-Christian" tradition.

    That is, if folks would just let me boil it down to its essence, I am seeing a blizzard of posts around that basically say, "Islam = Bad Evil Bad" (terms like Islamo-Fascists, Terrorists, etc) and "Israel, Judaeo-Christian = Good Glorious Good".

    For the moment, I shall not dispute or endorse either of these positions, I am merely saying that, right or wrong, wrong or right, and for whatever reason, that's what I am seeing on the web.

    Now, I'd like everyone to take a deep breath and relax / calm down for a moment. Can we do that? Can we all be cool and collected, rational and logical?

    Well then, here's my question....
    ...and it has an answer...

    Q: Which religion is truly closer to Christianity, Islam or Judaism?

    Now, please allow me to offer an answer, and everybody can critique me on my logic, or lack thereof.

    ¿A? Islam...
    because...
    Acknowledging Yeshua of Galilee as the Messiah of God is necessary for salvation...
    and
    Islam recognizes Yeshua of Galilee as the Messiah (Al Massih)...
    whereas
    the Jews rejected, persecuted, and tried to murder Yeshua of Galilee...
    and
    Judaism rejects Yeshua of Galilee as being the Messiah to this day


    Muslims accept Yeshua of Galilee as the Messiah (even if they deny his divinity)
    Jews rejected, persecuted, tried to murder, and continue to reject the Messiah



    Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.
    1 John 2:22-23

    THIS IS NOT P.C...
    But tell me where I am logically wrong...

    Jews deny Christ...
    ...by 1 John 2:22, Jews are, therefore, anti-Christs...
    ...and so saying "Judaeo-Christian"...
    ...is like saying "Anti-Christian - Christian"...
    ...an oxymoron.


    WHERE HAVE I STRAYED FROM THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE, TO EITHER THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT?
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    Moving this because this is the News Forum. LE
     
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    I'm sorry you are so confused by islamic propaganda.
     
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    OP, do they accept Jesus as THEIR OWN messiah, or do they accept Him as "the messiah of the Jews"?

    Unbelievers refer to Him even as "the messiah", but not as a personal messiah.
     
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    Where is he logically wrong?
     
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    This is the typical argument posed by those who believe in replacement theology, or that the Church has replaced Israel (as believed by Augustine). They always use the same text (taken out of context), 1 John 2:22-23, as their basis to prove Jews are evil. They don't go as far as the islamists, though, who declare Jews are pigs and monkeys.
     
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    You can't claim any similarities between Jews/Christians and Muslims. Muslims worship the moon god, not our God. Muslims do not accpet Jesus Christ as the Messiah, they claim him to be a prophet, blame the Jews for murdering him, but he is not the great prophet of Allah, Mohammad is that. The Jews and Christians believe in the same God. If it were not for the Jews, we would not know who God is and how we came to be.

    Side Note - Why are there no great Jewish Philosophers who find answers within themselves? Because they have had the answers handed down for generation after generation. God gave the book to them first and Christians shared the book with us.

    Another Side Note to completely derail this thread. There are only three types of people in the world, Jews, Gentiles, and Christians.
     
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    Salvation from what? And if they deny Christ's divinity, then how can Christ possibly save them from this unknown thing they are being saved from?

    There is where your logic doesn't work. Islam, for all its purported acceptance of Christ, has no more accepted him than the Jews have. On top of that they fail to recognize that God chose the nation of Isreal for His own purposes and that Isreal's failure to live up to that covenant in no way prevents God from fullfilling His part of the bargain.

    Neither party can claim they are "closer" to Christianity than the other on the basis of their so called acknowledgement of Christ.

    In our country the term "Judeo-Christian" heritage describes only the cultural similarities that occur between the two religions, that are the result of both religions accepting the Old Testament as the word of God. In this respect, Jews and Christians are more similar. Our religions diverge at the beginning of the New Testament.

    No where have I ever read/heard that Islam accepts the Old Testament or New Testaments to be the authoritative word of God. How then can you claim that Islam can possibly be closer to Christianity than Judaism?
     
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    His logic matters not at all.

    Jews and muslims alike that do not accept Christ as their savior are condemned.
     
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    There are only two, believers and non believers. We make the Jews out to be something special, but for now, in this age, they are no different than any other group in unbelief.

     
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    Actually, there are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

    Okay, that's off topic, but the real topic is more of that really wierd wiggy mojo that has been on the boards lately.
     
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    Genesis chapters 1-12, Gentile
    Genesis to Acts Gentile and Jew
    Acts until now, Gentile, Jew, and Christian

    Jews are God's chosen people, despite their unbelief, they are still his chosen people set aside for His purpose in which He still blesses them and is still looking over them. They are still being judged by Him and He still has His hand over them protecting them.
     
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    Nice dispensational package but it is in error. Since Acts 7 there are now only believers and unbelievers.

    Please do not misunderstand. One could make a case for dispensational theology but it falls apart when Scripture is properly divided as we are commanded to do.

    As to the OP? His logic is illogical. The "Jesus" which the Mohammedans acknowledge is not the Jesus of Scripture; hence the OP is in error before it even takes the first step.
     
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    Nor do Muslims believe that He rose from the dead; they believe He never died.
     

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