It is not over yet

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OldRegular, Apr 20, 2009.

  1. OldRegular

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    Obama in ignoring the advice of his director of the CIA and four previous directors stated that the agents of the CIA who participated in the so-called torture of the terrorists would not be prosecuted.

    I predict that the ACLU will attempt to have these men, and those in the Justice Department, prosecuted with the covert aid of the democrats.

    I predict that the democrats in Congress will attempt to persecute the members of the Justice Department involved in these interrogations.

    Strangely, well actually not so strange, Obama did not release the information gained and the lives saved through the interrogation of these terrorists.
     
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    1. Torture is not kind.
    2. Torture is very ineffective as a method of collecting information (data).
    3. Torture is un-American.
    4. Americans who practice torture should NOT be allowed to work/retire in the USofA.
     
  3. OldRegular

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    If you are going to bloviate Ed Ed you should define what constitutes torture. I am sure that reading some of your posts is torture to some on this Forum especially when you use the 1611 version of the King James Bible or the 1599 version of the Geneva Bible in their original print.
     
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    Ed knows not of what he speaks. His comments are simply knee jerk reactions against anything in opposition to the liberal, hate America crowd.
     
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    So torture is what a real American supports? I suppose it's OK if our citizens are tortured by other countries.
     
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    JC do you have any idea what constitutes torture or are you as usual coming to the defense of your idol, Obama?

    Are you really so naive or unaware of reality to believe that what we do will have any affect on how the terrorists treat American captives? They saw their heads off. Get real JC, come out of that haze you are in.

    Incidentally since you seem not to know, a real American supports America, unlike Obama in his recent world tour.
     
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    First of all, I'm not in favor of prosecuting anyone involved with this. Now that that is out of the way....

    If you were in the military, and were captured, would it be OK for the enemy to waterboard you? Would it be an acceptable practice for the enemy to do? How about if it was your son or daughter? Would it be an acceptable practice for the enemy to waterboard your son or daughter?
     
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    Moot point. The enemy beheads, sawing off their victim's head while their victim is screaming for life and blood gushes out from their neck veins. Or they eviscerate you while you watch your guts coming out at the point of their swords while you gasp your last breath. Waterboarding is not an issue with them. Get a grip on reality about this enemy. Think Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, etc.
     
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    I'm not denying that the enemy does far worse things than we do, but does that make it OK for us to torture as well? Just because our enemy uses evil practices, does not mean that we should as well.

    In the spirtual realm, Satan uses many horrible and evil devices to achieve his goals. Should we as Christians battle him also using evil devices, since he used them first and uses them in a greater capacity?
     
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    Your idea of torture and my idea of torture must differ.

    To torture me, all you have to do is show me a cockroach. I'll tell all.

    But that is not true torture, is it?

    One only has to go back in history and look at what the Japanese did to the Chinese or what the Nazi's did to Jews to see what true torture is. Waterboarding is not a torture method. We put our own Navy Seals through waterboarding as part of their training.

    I thought you were of the mindset that we are a secular nation?
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    Were you in the military ? I thought you said the mean boot camp instructors would prevent you from serving. Have I got the wrong guy ?

    Waterboarding looks like a pleasant departure from some of the things I was subjected to while I served.
     
  12. matt wade

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    We can agree to disagree then.

    Where did you get that idea? I believe we are a nation that was founded as a Christian nation, but we are falling away from our foundation. I don't believe, as some do, that our founding fathers meant for religion to be removed from governmental affairs. I believe they intended that religion play a large role in the lives of every person in this country. I believe that they just wanted government to stay out of religious affairs.
     
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    Nope..you've got the right guy and I still believe what I said. I won't work any job where my superiors yell, curse, and berate me. I don't care if it is the norm for that job...it doesn't make it right.
     
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    The Military is not a job. It is a service to the country. And the actions of which you speak are part of training not part of a job. It is training for captivity which is minimal considering what the enemy really does. Since you don't know what it is it is best you don't go.
     
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    I told you so

    Obama Open to Prosecution of Officials Who Cleared Interrogation Tactics

    President Obama says it is up to the attorney general whether to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who wrote the memos approving harsh interrogation tactics.


    Tuesday, April 21, 2009

    President Obama left open the door Tuesday for charges to be brought against Bush administration lawyers who justified harsh interrogation techniques, though he continued to argue that CIA agents who used those tactics should not be prosecuted.*

    The president showed wiggle room on the issue as he faces calls from Democratic lawmakers and organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union to support such charges. Asked about the possibility of prosecution related to the interrogation program, the president deferred to Attorney General Eric Holder.*

    "With respect to those who formulate those legal decisions, I would say that that is going to be more of a decision for the attorney general within the parameters of various laws," Obama said, as he finished an Oval Office meeting with visiting King Abdullah of Jordan. "And I don't want to prejudge that. ... There are a host of very complicated issues involved there."*

    It was the first time Obama took a question on the matter since his administration released a string of previously classified memos detailing harsh interrogation tactics used against terror suspects. At the time, Obama said agents who followed Department of Justice advice would not be prosecuted.*

    He reiterated that point Tuesday. "For those who carried out some of these operations within the four corners of legal opinions or guidance that had been provided from the White House, I do not think it's appropriate for them to be prosecuted," he said.*

    But while he also repeated his view that investigations into Bush officials could get politicized, he indicated for the first time an openness to such a course provided it is carried out in a "bipartisan fashion."*

    More Here

    The above demonstrates the stupidity, if not the treasonous mindset, of Obama. Such an action will tear this country apart.
     
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    I've been trained to go witnessing and in that training have never had any one yell at me or curse me. While witnessing I have had those things happen. So, should training for witnessing include the teacher yelling at and cursing the students?
     
  17. OldRegular

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    These people were not in the military; they were terrorists, so your point is moot. They should have been treated as we treated saboteurs during WWII.
     
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    You should ask the Military but if you go comparing being in captivity by the enemy to witnessing you will get laughed at.
     
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    I agree with this statement, and add, it would also be best if Matt Wade didn't try and speak for us, or try and put himself in our boots.
     
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    Your right...witnessing is far more important :).

    Why don't you enlighten me. How does a superior cursing at a soldier help that soldier when they have been captured? Do you think our fine men and women in the armed forces will crack under pressure of the enemy cursing at them, so we have to make sure they are able to handle the cursing? How does it help when superiors call the soldier degrading names? Will those captured soldiers be able to hold out for that much longer because their drill sergeant called them some names as well?
     

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