It is so plain in Gal 4

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    Gal 4:30

    30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    This the same Truth being confirmed here Rom 11:15

    15 For if the casting away of them[non heirs] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    Now the scripture is plain in this analogy that Paul was inspired to use in Gal 4, and that national israel according to the flesh @ Sinai is represented as hagar and her son ishmael Note:

    Gal 4:24-25

    24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    Which is cast out Gal 4:30


    30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    That is national israel according to the flesh, and the promise is "for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."

    That cuts off any hope of a future national israel heirship !

    The physical nation of jews that were cast away, were not the people of God, Paul makes that clear Rom 11:1-2

    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

    Now that cannot be the People of Rom 11:15 that are cast away Rom 11:15

    15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    This casting away is speaking of national israel, which could not have been God's People which He foreknew ! Or we have a big problem with Rom 11:1-2 !
     
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    Gal is the least clear (plain) book in the NT.
     
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    i'd have said Revelation gets that honour :D
     
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    OK, Gal, 2nd place from the bottom.
     
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    Not that seed which was of the Law, Natural Israel !

    There never were any promises of Salvation made to Abraham's physical seed, the nation of Israel, Paul makes that clear here Rom 4:13

    For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

    However those in spiritual darkness will not accept this Truth ! Heir of World here merely means Heir of Salvation. Remember Sarah said of Ishmael and his Mom this Gal 4:30 See Gen 21:10

    Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    But the promises and heirship was made to Abraham and His Seed according to the Righteousness of Faith ! It cannot be put more plainer ! By this, Abraham is the Father of all the Seed Rom 4:16

    Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

    Its plain that Abraham's Seed of Promise, Israel of Promise is comprised of both jew and gentile people's of Faith ! For as it is written, I have made thee a Father of many nations [spiritually] Gen 17:5, that means that God has generated children for Abraham spiritually, who should share with him in like precious faith, not of just the ethnic jews, but out of all Nations !
     
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    I believe they are all pretty clear if one studies with the Holy Spirit and with the helps of those teachers and preachers which the Spirit has gifted to help us understand. God did noy give us His word that we might get confused, no, just the opposite, that we might understand and know Him and His ways.

    "For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." (1Cr14:33)
     
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    Depends IF one sees the Gospel as faith alone.grace alone, as Paul and Yeshua saw it, or not!
     
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    We must all face the Refiner's fire. I personally am satisfied that I have yielded myself to the teaching of the Holy Spirit as I studied this issue you present. I have concluded that it is indeed grace through faith alone which saves. This is what I am convinced of and it is what I teach/preach as gospel. Not by works, lest any man should boast.
     
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    GE:

    There you have it! ALL difficulties, solved!

    Only difficulty here, for me, what is 'Yeshua' ?
     
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    hebrew variation for jesus......
     
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    Gal 4:30

    30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    This the same Truth being confirmed here Rom 11:15

    15 For if the casting away of them[non heirs] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    Now the scripture is plain in this analogy that Paul was inspired to use in Gal 4, and that national israel according to the flesh @ Sinai is represented as hagar and her son ishmael Note:

    Gal 4:24-25

    24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    Which is cast out Gal 4:30


    30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    That is national israel according to the flesh, and the promise is "for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."

    That cuts off any hope of a future national israel heirship !

    The physical nation of jews that were cast away, were not the people of God, Paul makes that clear Rom 11:1-2

    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

    Now that cannot be the People of Rom 11:15 that are cast away Rom 11:15

    15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    This casting away is speaking of national israel, which could not have been God's People which He foreknew ! Or we have a big problem with Rom 11:1-2 !
     
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    You should be more careful in what you say and believe. You will be judged with the measure you use.

    NO TIME is good to disobey Jesus. It is a destructive error for you to teach that one is accursed to be obedient to Jesus.

    As for false doctrines, would not Satan and his demons like what you teach, when you teach the most important time in your life is the time you believe but MUST NOT obey Jesus in any way, that that dead faith is life saving faith.
     
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    NONE here teach that one should not live as God wants you too once saved, will just believe uin the gospel of being saved by grace of God , thru faith ALONE...
     
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    GE:

    "hebrew ... for jesus", really?! Is that why you wrote "jesus" 'in lower cas(t)e'?

     
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    GE:

    Moriah, you talk nonsense and you know it.

     
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    Most Christians are not interested in obeying Jesus else why endless quotes from Paul and very seldom quotes from Jesus and from the people who lived with Jesus? Seems to me Jesus' big sermon in Matthew should be the basis on most topics on BB.
     
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    Not really, as that sermon was NOT meant to teach us how to live, ut was meant to expose and show to us what the rightousness God demands to be saved would look like, and that NONE can meet it by own merits!
     
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    No matter what book one quotes from of the 66 given to us by God one is quoting the Word of God which is Jesus Christ. Get with the Holy Spirit billwald!! He teaches the children of God that Paul's writings are Jesus' words! If one hasn't been taught this by the Spirit then one needs to examine themselves as Jesus declared in 2Cor chapter 13.
     
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    Sermon the mount was jesus explanation of what "keeping the Law" of God would really entail...

    NONE of us can, so MUST trust in his rightousness, not our own!
     
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    That's YOUR interpretation, not God's. God taught

    Deuteronomy 30:11-16
    King James Version (KJV)
    11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

    12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

    13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

    14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

    15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

    16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

    WHAT COULD BE CLEARER??????????????
     

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