It Will Cost You Everything

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  1. freeatlast

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    In a day when claimed Christians want to interpret scriptures to fit their desires instead of just believing and following what they say the following 11 minute message speaks to everyone. It is seldom today that anyone of us hears messages like the this one.
    http://illbehonest.com/It-Will-Cost-You-Everything-Steve-Lawson
     
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    Thanks for posting that. I have no doubt whatsoever concerning the sincerity and genuine love for Christ that compells a message like that to be propagated. And there was no doubt some good thoughts and admonitions in the message.

    Unfortunetly however, that was a classic example of the erroneous "Lordship Salvation" message that is sometimes presented.

    Jesus certainly is Lord, and the process of "growing in grace" will of course produce the lessening of sin, and the increase in rightiousness. (which is what the "Lordship" message is all about.) That will come about...after salvation has occured.

    It is something that comes in the process of time, and absolutely has no part in the area of being saved, as Gods saving message is Faith in Christ alone, with no "I'll be really really good" promises being part of that.

     
  3. Tom Butler

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    I can think of two verses right off hand that speak of faith in Jesus, the Lord.

    Acts 16:32 Peter told the Philippian jail "Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ, and you'll be saved, and your house."

    And Paul in Romans 10:9 says one is saved by confessing Jesus as LORD.

    We can debate Lordship salvation, but I really don't see separating faith in Jesus as Savior one day, and faith in Jesus as Lord later on, particularly since neither Peter nor Paul separated them.
     
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    Tom..



    Jesus IS Lord. Always has been, and always will be. Those verses acknowledge that.

    But the position of those in the "Lordship salvation" camp go way beyond that.

    They add layers and layers of works based "Lordship" requirments as being neccesary to be saved.

    Being saved, in its primary sense (escaping hell and recieving eternal life) is recieving a free...gift.
     
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    That's not my understanding of Lordship Salvation. Give me some examples of works-based Lordship requirements necessary for salvation.
     
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    Tom...Here is an excerpt from a document that should be benificial.

    There will be a link at the end to get it all....


    http://www.dtl.org/salvation/article/guest/lordship-1.htm
     
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    Sound the Trumpets in Zion!

    Thanks for this fantastic post. The prophets of the Father are beginning to warn those of us who claim to be His followers, it is now the time to settle up, sell off the worldly possessions that have attached themselves to our life, and live in Holiness for Him.

    This is, of course, an unpleasant message to hear. In fact, it is probably too harsh for many, on this and other Christian forum's, which is why Paul lists the sins (in Romans 1) that many are guilty of and when they refuse to see their sin, they are turned over to their own sinful desires while they await judgment and hell.

    The road to hell is wide. . It is traveled by a great many souls. The path leading to the narrow gate is not popular, nor are there many on it, because the cost to travel across that path is just as this message claim. It will cost us as much as it cost Him.

    There will be a large number of souls standing before God and crying "Foul" because they were led to travel down a road that was Scripturally permissive, spiritually easy, and not demanding when it came to separating our self from the world.

    Not all "Salt" has the flavor. . . And not every beacon is bright enough to light the way.

    This was a great message, but it will unfortunately be passed over as being too "Harsh" and too demanding. Others will tear it apart and find fault with it. While the truth is, it is a simple, in-your-face Word directly from the Holy Spirit. It is a Word that is non-compromising, and it is a Word that shows the way to heaven as being one of the spiritual and personal SACRIFICE'S.

    What else would the heavenly Father desire from us? He had His Son sacrifice everything for our sin, and He is asking the same from us. However, the church has been badly misled, and very few have what it takes to preach the kind of truth this message brings.

    God will judge the world, and send many to hell. In fact, more will end up in hell than the church wants to lead the common man to believe. Today is the day of Salvation, not tomorrow!

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul
     
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    Rightiousdude...

    Well, 1st I assume you have done that? You have sold off all the worldly possessions that have attached themselves to your life, and you now live in perfect holiness for Him?

    And 2ndly, if not, do you believe that your salvation is dependant upon your ability in achieving those ideals?


    Or, let me ask it in another way. Do you believe you MUST do those things to be saved, or do you believe you SHOULD do those things because you ARE saved?
     
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    I don't see that we have to sell off all our possessions. We must submit them all to ownership by Christ. Your life, your possessions, and your heart are to belong to Christ and not to you.

    What does it meet to "accept Christ" as your savior? I don't think it is just something your mouth says. It is not just something that you profess to a crowd. It is something that you must live - and I think that the message is for us to do just that. We surrender all to Christ - including our sins.

    If I accept Christ - then He is not only my savior, He is my Lord. Everything I do, say, and believe professes my Christianity.

    Can someone spend time in a room where you are working or relaxing and tell the difference between you and someone who is there who is NOT a Christian? If you have to tell someone that you are a Christian, (where they otherwise wouldn't know) there is something wrong with your faith. There is a good chance that you have not surrendered all to Christ.

    I see that the original post is speaking this to us. I don't disagree, but then; I am not a lawyer.
     
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    Remember that thief on the cross----Rome had him pinned there

    But what did he say to Jesus??

    LORD!!!! Remember me . . .


    When Rome pinned that thief there---they were sending a message to the onlookers and gawkers that said

    Ceasar is Lord

    But for the theif----Ceasar was no longer Lord-------rather Jesus was

    And pinned to the cross there---the thief was free-er than he had ever been before

    I teach, friend---anything less that Jesus as LORD---is living in rebellion and the thief pinned on the cross was free-er than you are right now!!
     
  11. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Excuse me.... I think you will have to expound on your claims far more than you are doing now....I dont know wrong where your coming from?
     
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    It's really quite simple.
    For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves.
    It is the gift of God, not of works.

    When I trusted Christ as my Saviour, He became my Saviour, my Lord, and also My Shepherd. He loved me enough to save me from the penalty of my sin, and then to guide and shepherd me through this life. He is Lord of all and always will be. He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, and no man can take that from Him. He is also my Lord. But He is my loving, gracious, long-suffering Lord that has allowed me to grow in grace these many years.

    Some would have us to believe that the moment one is saved they need to sell all that they have, give to the poor, take up their cross, and follow Christ. That is what the Bible says. But is that the condition of salvation? If it is then we have a works-based salvation. Because then salvation is not "by grace are ye saved through faith." It is rather, "by giving to the poor, selling all that you have, etc."

    How many on this board have done that? Have you done that? How many that advocate this type of Lordship salvation actually have practiced it in their own lives? I would like to hear their testimonies if they have.

    And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. (Luke 9:23)

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26-27)

    So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:33)
     
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    He is addressing those unsaved not the saved.
     
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    If so:
    So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:33)

    Have you done this?

    If not, by your own words, are you saved?
    As I said before I would like to hear the testimonies of those who believe in this of how they got saved--how they left all, sold it, gave it to the poor, denied themselves of absolutely everything in order to be saved (a disciple).
    I want to hear your testimony how you did this. Can you share it with us?
     
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    If they did then they wouldnt have a computer to respond. I do know some, but they live in the streets of urban areas. If you really want to speak to them go into the streets & where the poor live. As the title of the OP states...It will cost you everything.
     
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    So this is an admission that you haven't given up everything (thus you would be living in the street you say), and therefore you don't really believe in Lordship salvation.
    Or you do believe in Lordship salvation, and haven't yet followed through with it and thus cannot be saved because you have not yet forsake all of your goods.
    Which is it? You can't have it both ways. The Scripture applies to us as much as it did to "them" in the days of Christ.
     
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    Thank you "Alive In Christ" for clarifying the issues regarding what is labelled as "Lordship Salvation."

    The issue is not that Christ is Lord. Anyone who believes in Him and is trusting Him for eternal life is acknowledging He is Lord and able to give eternal life. After being regenerated they will discover more about Him and should then normally desire to follow Him.

    Those espousing what they call Lordship Salvation assert the necessity of being "willing" to submit to Christ's total authority as part of saving faith which must be confirmed by "willingness" to leave all sin and "willingness" to take up the Cross and follow Christ and willingness to leave all. It is the type and degree of willingness that must always be examined to gain assurance. Therefore your assurance of salvation is based on what you have done not on what Christ has done for you. And which of us can measure up to such willingness without reservation in this life? All we who are saved still have the old nature and struggle daily to live for Him and do what is always right.

    The simple passages regarding our salvation become part of a complex puzzle. The clarity and simplicity of John 3:16 becomes that which must be further explained by other passages which are for those already believing and not the good news Gospel of salvation.

    Their sincerity to make sure we really believe becomes a message that no one can really believe. :jesus:
     
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    Why not....I live in America
     
  19. Alive in Christ

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    Here is another excerpt (with link) that hopefully will be helpful....



    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio/lordsh03.htm
     
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    I knew when I posted this that it would bring out both sides. Those who oppose call those who are in support of it Lordship Salvationists and the reverse is usually the calling the other side liberals.
    So this raises a question. Unless you believe that we do not have to repent to be saved, for that is another discussion, I would ask this to those who oppose this. Just how much can a person remain in rebellion and still be repenting? Is it 49% of the heart remaining in rebellion to 51% of the heart for repentance or some other figure?
    The reason I ask this is because I think both sides are wrong on this. I will explain but I would like to hear some answers to my question on rebellion and repentance.
     
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