It's ALL from HIM!

I simply said that Christ alone is the way to heaven for any human being.

That God needs people to put faith in Christ in order for God to be able to apply the merits of Christ to them for their salvation is your doctrine.

I think, btw, that is God's normative way. But I do not think that God is restricted to that.

God can save howsoever he chooses, which includes saving babies from their sin without their participation.

There is none other name given among men whereby we must be saved. That is all I am saying.

 

You don't get it, Winman.

I'll say it again.

God doesn't need anything. He doesn't have to need it to want it nor does he have to need it to command it.

We preach not for man but for God.

Got it yet?

 

That's illogical.

If you do something for my benefit you do it for me.

We preach for God and man benefits, but that does not mean that we preach for their benefit.

We preach for God not for men.

We love men but men are not our primary motive for ANYTHING we do.

We love God first. And we do not preach first of all to keep men out of hell. We preach for his glory. We are glad that men do come to Christ under our preaching. But that is not the primary reason we preach.

God does not need us. He can save completely without us. He can glorify himself completely without us.

But he chooses to use us and we are glad.

 

It is far too easy for you to say this.

The only cannots that apply to God are only those that demand he contradict his nature.

God can save apart from faith. Tell him otherwise when you stand before his throne.

It does not allow for Muslims to go to heaven. God does not save those who deny Christ.

But God can save babies and invalids without their participation.

In fact God saves all men without their participation, as far as that goes. God gives men the faith to believe and gives them a heart that wants to believe. That is his way of saving.

He can do that for babies and invalids if he so chooses. Or he can save them without those things. He is God. He does whatsoever he pleases.

 

As usual you misrepresent what your opponent says.

I did not say that preaching does not benefit man, did I?

Your statement with multiple question marks following is a straw man.

Stay focused. Debate me. Not your straw man.

 

It depends on how you mean "participate" in this context.

 

When God's Word says something in the affirmative it does not condemn the possibility of the negative unless it uses language of exclusivity.

For example "There is none other name given among men whereby you must be saved."

none other- that is language of exclusivity. Therefore there is no other name whereby one can be saved.

But when the Bible says, "God sends his rain on the just and the unjust" thats affirmative language. It does not eliminate the possibility of the negative which is: God also does NOT send his rain on the just and the unjust. In other words there are just people and unjust people who live and die in climates that receive no rain.

Just because God does a thing one way doesn't mean that he does NOT do it another way.

God does save men through faith. That does not mena that he cannot save them without faith.

But we do know this. God saves NNE who denies the name of Christ or refuses to get on the Way.

Therefore no person who refuses the revelation of nature and Scripture can go to heaven.

But one who does not have the intellect to deny either, does not have to have faith because God can save apart from faith if he so chooses.

There is not a verse of Scripture in the Bible that you can bring to bear that says that God MUST have the faith of man in order to save him.

All you can produce is Scripture that says that God does indeed save through faith. That does not eliminate the possibility that he can save another way.

If you have Scripture that says that God cannot save the invalid without the invalids faith- please share it.

Typical debating tactics from webdog.

More typical...

and still more...

no support... typical

and still true to form...

 

It is irrelevant. Who benefits has nothing to do with our motive- at the very most it is secondary. Our motive is to please him who hath called us.

 

That is not Arminianism which is yet another in a long list of proofs that establish your lack of theological comprehension.

That God uses men does not contradict nor identify any particular theological system known to man.

 

Once again you demonstrate your total lack of theological understanding.

That men participate in the way you enunciate here does not contradict nor identify any theological system known to man.