It's ALL from HIM!

So, your theory is that it pleases God to preach as an academic exercise which has not practical use whatsoever, and that this exercise in futility brings glory to God? Sounds pretty stupid to me, and I don't think God is busy doing stupid things.

Now, the truth is that God has ordained preaching in order to bring the Good News to every man, who then has a chance to accept the Gospel and be saved!

The only ones who are not elect are the ones who make themselves such!

 

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Luke,
I am gonna have to go Matt Wade on you because the logic you are using means you must attribute no responsibility to man for anything, because you imply that these actions are the way God always interacts with humans. For example, Joseph consoled his brothers. So we should also console any evil doer because God caused them to do it and meant it for good. You cannot escape this. Back up and take another look brother.:godisgood:

 

You are the one not getting it. Is Jesus coming down as he did with Paul when he was saved, or is God using preachers to save men?

If God is using preachers, then he is allowing man to participate with him.

And if an unsaved person has to hear the gospel, that man is participating in his salvation.

You can deny this, but you would be denying reality.

And why did Paul travel around preaching the gospel? Why didn't he just sit back and let God save men all by himself?

 

And if your view of Total Depravity is correct, then any man who has ever walked into the church and listened to the gospel must be regenerated.

According to your view, the unregenerate man hates God and cannot help but resist the gospel. So why would any unregenerate man ever enter a church? They may be unregenerate, but they are not stupid, they know the word of God is preached there. So, how can they possibly enter in? Their sin nature will cause them to resist and stay away.

Therefore, every single person who enters a church and listens to God's word must be regenerated, as they are no longer resisting.

And if they are all regenerated, there is no need to preach the gospel.

You can deny this, but this is the logical conclusion of your doctrine if it is correct.

 

um...no Total depravity doesn't teach that man is unwilling to walk into a church service. Also, no man is regenerate until they are saved.

 

Luke,
I get no pleasure in proving you wrong.....but you asked for it. Gen 45...4 Then Joseph said to his brothers, "Please, come near me," and they came near. "I am Joseph, your brother," he said, "the one you sold into Egypt. 5 And now don't be worried or angry with yourselves for selling me here, because God sent me ahead of you to preserve life.

Needs no further explanation. Done with you brother until you can be rational.:wavey:

 

Whoa there, Bro Luke. I have never stated once that babies have no sin. I have stated that babies are born "not guilty", because they don't even know their left hand from their right. They only know when they are hungry, they cry for food. When they need their diaper changed, they cry, they know when they start hurting, they cry....babies do a lot of crying, but we all love them so much!! My wife and I can't have any, so we throw all our love at our fat Chinese Pug, Lexie.....she's spoiled rotten, and I wouldn't have her any other way!!

When an infant lies to keep from getting their fanny hot, they lie for that reason alone, to stay out of trouble. They didn't know that they were lying to God, and for this, God will not hold them accountable for it. Now, when they lie, and know they lied unto God, then that's a whole different ballgame.

Rom. 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.



i am I am's!!

Willis

 

Luke, for someone so utterly preoccupied with the doctrines of grace, your posts show precious little of it to others.

Is being nice, civil, and Christlike in your discussions that difficult for you?

 

"We wrestle not against flesh and blood..."

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil..."

 

Bro. Luke,

I will try to put this is as few words as possible, so that there is no confusion in what I just stated.

First off, when we are born into this world(I am talking about nowadays), the "death sentence" was already pronounced upon our flesh because of what Adam did WAY back in the Garden. This is what brought about the "fall"(which you already know), and by this "fall", all will die in Adam. So Adam's transgression is what will cause me to breathe my last breath when God see fit to take out of this "low ground of sorrow".

The only thing that guarantees me a place in the lake of fire, to die, die and never die, eternally seperated from God, is my sins, and not what Adam did WAY back in the Garden.

Here are two scriptures that I know I have posted on here a lot, but I do feel they support my belief quite well:

Ezek. 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezek. 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

These two verse state "the soul that sinneth shall die", not body, because our natural bodies are already "sin cursed" by what Adam did and the "death sentence" has already been pronounced upon it. Our soul is clean until sin defiles it. Verse 20 states "the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son." We die "spiritually" for what we did, and not what Adam did.

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

You see, Bro. Luke, when you read scriptures, you have to seperate what they are referring to; the "inner" man, or the "outer" man. A lot of scriptures are referring to our "inner" man, because the scriptures are "spiritually" discerned.

Now, to answer the question more clearly? Babies aren't born sinners, but they are born in "sin cursed" bodies. The "sin curse" I am talking about comes from Adam's fall. So, if they are born sinners(seperated from God), and they died, hell is the only logical conclusion. So they are born "not guilty", meaning sin hasn't defiled their soul, but it has already defiled their precious little bodies. I hope this helps!!

i am I am's!!

Willis