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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Jan 23, 2011.

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  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    "God can save apart from faith."

    I'm not one to beat around the bush. This statement IS garbage, and I'm not sure how much support you think you are going to get in calling it anything but.
     
    #101 webdog, Jan 26, 2011
  2. Luke2427

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    You did not answer the question- at all.

    Do babies need the blood of Christ to get into heaven or is it that they have no sin that requires blood?
     
    #102 Luke2427, Jan 26, 2011
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    What say you? They don't need faith according to you...so why do they need anything?
     
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  4. Luke2427

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    How do babies get into heaven, webdog? You believe they do, right?

    But you believe they are not sinners? Is that right? Because that is not orthodox.

    But if you believe they are sinners and they still go to heaven- then how? Does the week old infant place faith in the death burial and resurrection of Christ?
     
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  5. Luke2427

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    That's an ignorant question.

    Every sinner needs the blood of Christ to get into heaven.

    That they don't need faith is not even remotely connected to the idea that they don't need Christ's blood.

    That's an ignorant question based on a bad non sequitur.
     
    #105 Luke2427, Jan 26, 2011
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    We've discussed this already...don't pretend to have amnesia now.
    The one who says God saves apart from faith calling someone out on orthodox? Really? What is orthodox is a sinner being defined rightly as one who sins.

    Guilty people go to hell, people found not guilty don't. It's a simple concept.
    Why would they need to? You even state in your view they do not have to in order to be saved.
     
    #106 webdog, Jan 26, 2011
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    Well, you deny the biblical teaching that sinners must be saved by grace through faith...why is it ignorant? Were there some Israelites during passover that had the blood of the sacrifice applied to the doorposts in some mysterious way but how God told them?
     
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  8. Luke2427

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    I have never discussed this with you. Are you ashamed to post your beliefs here now?

    That men are not born sinners is not an orthodox Christian position.


    All are guilty in Adam. I don't know of any Protestant, Catholic or Eastern orthodox church that denies this. In history only the Pelagians to my knowledge which were damnable heretics.
     
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    Another ignorant question. What does that have to do with anything?

    To try to use a picture or a type to demand the specifics of a soteriolgical position is silly.
     
    #109 Luke2427, Jan 26, 2011
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    Always fun to see folks get along so well and controversial topics.
     
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