Its official, there are more Mexicans in Texas than Texans

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    This is going to keep happening as long as Americans of European descent continue having less than two children per couple.

    America, like her neighbours in Western Europe, is in for massive cultural change. The "white race" will, in our lifetimes, be in the minority all throughout Western Europe and the US.

    Is this a bad thing?
     
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    C4K,

    According to some studies done recently it could be. Universities are discovering that many immigrants from Mexico are "anti-higher - education". I have had conversations with certain leaders of the hispanic communinity that confirm this, and some of my dearest friends tell me their hispanic children are taunted and teased for attending "white colleges." Many hispanics or Mexican immigrants view college as a "white thing." Which is understandable since many faculty and administrators are white.

    Unless we adjust as a culture and provide role models, and encourage young people from these "majority-minority" cultures to move on into higher education, statistics show an alarming probable increase in poverty and welfare.

    Please understand, this is NOT an issue of "they are dumb," or "they are lazy." They simply feel that we've made colleges and universities "unfriendly" towards them. Statistically, there is no intelligence or "work attitude" reason for them not to move on to higher education. They just feel we don't want them, and don't make them feel wanted.

    You can read up on the issue by searching for Diversity Issues or Higher Education Diversity Issues, or similar searches.
     
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    Valid points. The question is are we willing to "adjust as a culture" and do as you suggest?

    Ireland too faces a rapidly changing culture. African immigration has radically changed the complexion of this society.

    Here however it the immigrants who are excelling academically and scoring the higher marks which assure them university places.
     
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    C4K,

    Honestly? I think we talk a good game, but that we aren't really doing much substantially in these areas.

    A lot depends on who you talk to though. Administrators will often tell you, "no minority applied," but the counter arguement to that could easily be, "did you advertise the position in minority - read journals?"

    I know of some univerisities that are offering special scholarships to traditional miniorities, and there are people who are already objecting to that. As the mother of a white-male I can see both sides of the arguement. I also see administration really pushing departments to hire miniority faculty, however, I'm not seeing the departments actually DO that.

    One leader of the hispanic community that I spoke to said we're approaching the problem in the wrong place. She is hispanic and she said we need to reach the very young children, and their parents, and convince them higher-education is valuable. She said many hispanics feel higher education is a white-man's shell-game. We take their money for an education, then refuse to hire them for a job. The only way, per this woman, to change that is to have successful hispanics do strong recruiting to elementary schools.
     
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    Kind of a Catch-22, huh?

    We need more succesful Hispanics, but to get those succesful Hispanics we need succesful Hispanics.
     
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    In other news...

    Denver Public Libraries Now Spanish Language Only

    In a move referred to by Littleton, Colorado US Representative Tom Tancredo as "blatantly discriminatory", the Denver Public Library system has made the decision to convert seven of its branches to Spanish language only facilities. Tancredo also foresees this move by Denver as causing "ethnic separatism".

    Rep. Tancredo also stated: "Denver Public Library's apparent shift towards a Spanish language-only library, Spanish language book quotas and coercion of librarians to learn Spanish is of great concern." Tancredo has sent letters to the Denver City Council, Mayor John Hickenlooper and City Librarian Rick Ashton, which included twelve questions posed by residents in regards to the decision. Questions to the Mayor's office were fielded by Hickenlooper's Communications Director Lindy Eichenbaum Lent who advised that the Mayor would not comment until after he had conferred with Ashton.

    Source: The Conservative Voice
     
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    I am a counter example to this. Both my parents came from Mexico. They always encouraged education. I graduated form college with two engineering degrees and now currently work for Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. Two of my brothers graduated with engienering degrees as well. Many hispanics value education so I disagree with the assertion that hispanic immigrants are "anti-higher education".
     
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    The illegal immigrations issue notwithstanding, what's the problem? When Texas was annexed by the US, the majority population was Mexican, and the majority language spoken was Spanish. And, those folks were Texans nonetheless.

    Are we going to get threatened whenever any one area has less than a majority of whites?
     
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    This was addressed on another thread already. The headline is a blatant falsehood.

    The Denver Public Library System's Language and Learning plan involves increasing the number of Spanish-language books and periodicals at seven local libraries. The plan also involves utilizing a bilingual staff (much of their staff is already biligual, so this is a nonissue), and making available classes for Spanish speakers on subjects such as English acquisition (something the OP noteably omits). The Denver libraries WILL NOT "banish" English or English language books, nor will it even seek to make English secondary at those locations, as the article suggests. Approx 20% of Denver's taxpayers are primariy Spanish speakers, accounting for about 1/2 of Denver's Spanish-speaking taxpayer base.

    If this were a case where English were being banned, I'd be all up in arms. However, this is nothing more then a case where Spanish materials are simply being made more readily available to the public.

    Seeing how there is no official language in the US, I really don't see how this is a problem. It's Denver's tax dollars. If this is how they choose to utilize their tax dollars, that's their sovereign right.
     
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    The title of this thread is false. The truth is there are less than 50% Caucasians in Texas. The majority of minorities include Hispanics from many nations, African-Americans, other "non-white" immigrants. Secondly, not all Hispanics are Mexican. Many ARE Texans.

    Also with 49.8% of Texans being Caucasian, they are STILL the largest group, even as a minority. In essence, there is NO majority group...everyone is a minority.

    I see a mix of xenophobia and racism raising its head. It's 2001 folks...time to get over worrying about how much melanin a person has in their skin, and begin to be more concerned with, as Dr. King so eloquently stated, the content of their character.
     
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    The problem has never been melanin. The problem is that too many people are not willing to blend into the American culture. Also, there is a language problem, too many of these immigrants will not learn and use English.
     
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    The title is falser than that - the article did not say that there are more Mexican nationals in Texas than Americans, just more non-whites. Somehow the OP has assumed that all Texans are white and that no Hispanics or blacks have ever been born in Texas.

    New immigrants often have problems with the language. The first generation born here are often bilingual, the second English primary and the third, English only. Two of my great-grandmothers could not speak any English. Some of my friends have non-English speaking grandmothers.
     
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    You warm my heart, Terry.
     
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    What's American culture??? Should we therefore force all the Hawaiians to "assimilate"? Their culture is significantly diffeerent than yours.

    Hispanic culture was the primary culture of Texas when they became a state, and has been so in one for or another ever since. The Tejano culture IS AMERICAN CULTURE. It may not resemble the culture of New England, Hawaii, Iowa, or Alaska, but it is American Culture nonetheless.
    Again, what about the Hawaiians? How come when someone in Honolulu says "Aloha" and "Mahalo", it's considered acceptible, but when someone in Houston says "Buenos Dias" or "Muchos Gracias", all of a sudden, it's a issue? (and yes, there is one island in Hawaii where only Hawaiian is spoken). Again, the primary language of Texas when they joined the union was Spanish. There is no official language in the United States. Language usage, like many other things, are decided by the economy. If those with the dough are speaking spanish, then those providing the goods will cater to the spanish speaker.

    If you don't like it, then push for the US adopting a national language. I'm personally all for it. However, until then, you're pointing the finger at the wrong place in regards to spanish speaking tejanos.
     
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    Texas Sky writes;
    "It's official. There are more Mexicans in Texas than Texans."
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    Hey TS,
    Dont have the documentation to back it up, but I'd suspect there are more Mexicans in Ohio than Texans also. :D
    I'd also guess that most of them are illegal, not as the PC crowd like to say, undocumented. Why dont I have the documentation to back it up. BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY and dont provide a lot of info.
     
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    FromHandbook of Texas Online

    After a quick search, I found that even Indians in Texas outnumbered Tejanos (former Mexicans) by 5-to-1.

    I couldn't find anything for 1845, but I think I can safely say that whites remained the majority between 1836 and 1845.

    Terry Herrington is right. And we both know firsthand.

    The problem is not American-Hispanics (I use this to mean those who have assimilated into our culture). I have neighbors across the street who are Hispanic like that, but the problem is those illegals that are coming here from Mexico and other areas down there, having children, and expecting us to accomodate them by learning their language.

    I really wish that English was the national language. A couple of the conditions of Americans seeking to settle in Coahuila-Texas in the 1820's-'30's was that they had to pledge allegiance to Mexico and they had to learn Spanish. I don't see why Hispanics, and other ethnic groups, seeking to settle here now shouldn't have to meet the same requirements by pledging allegiance to the U.S.(mainly by entering legally) and by learning English.

    My grandmother and my church used to be smack dab in the middle of an area that went from almost 100% white to now about 90% Hispanic (non-English speaking) and I can tell you that the area just went straight downhill. Those folks do not keep up there yards and homes. They drive crazy and many do not have car insurance. They broke into our church over a dozen times. And they even fired shots into my grandmothers home a month after she moved out.

    I can remember the time before the area was like that, and I can only guess that there is a correlation between the great jump in Hispanic population and the crime rate/property values.
     
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    I sit corrected. However, a bit of correction is necessary. The Tejano population of Texas was about 3,000 until 1821, when colonists swelled the population to about 40,000 in 1835.

    If the arguement here is that Tejanos should Anglicanize because "Majority culture rules", then why should the minory population today not "Hispanicize", since Hispanics are today the majority.

    It seems that the "majority rules" arguement only only works for whites when whites are the majority. As for me, I say let economics decide. That's how most everything else is decided in the US, and it seems to work just fine.
     
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    African immigration to Ireland??

    The bottom line in the USofA is that the political pull of the so-called "African-American" is now zilch. Every other "minority" is finding their place in American society and they are not going to be impressed by the NAACP.
     

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