J'ACCUSE: Kirchner murdered Nisman

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    A cell of Argentinian presidential loyalists in the country's intelligence service organised the killing of a prosecutor investigating Iran's role in the bombing of Jewish centre, according to a former senior official in the agency.

    The former high-ranking counter-terrorism official said that the group would have acted without specific orders from Cristina Kirchner, the president, whom the dead prosecutor blamed for trying to cover up Iran's role in the lethal 1994 blast.


    "Cristina does not have to give a specific order," said the ex-security official. "Her people compete to satisfy her perceived wishes."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...telligence-operatives-claims-ex-official.html
     
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    A no name "former high-ranking counter-terrorism official" said it so I guess it must be true.
     
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    I think that his days are numbered, don't you?
     
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    I think this sounds like a CIA dis info campaign to me.

    Call me crazy for questioning the word of a "no name high ranking counter terrorism official" but I have to wonder if the intell agency that the president wants to disband would have a motive to set her up for a fall.
     
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    Ah, the motive goes back to 1994 when the Iranians murdered almost a hundred Jews in Buenos Aires and walked away because the Kirchners wanted an oil deal with Iran.

    When a special prosecutor turned the rock over and found out what was underneath the rock all over the Argentina, it all pointed to the Kirchners and to Iranian terrorism all over the Americas. Even Obama asked that the investigation be shut down while he tries to make a deal with Iran to allow them to have the atomic bomb and let him finish his term without having to deal with the problem. So it was in the interest of Kirchner to see Nisman out of the way but he got the information out as he suspected that she was capable of anything. Kirchner is a socialist and on the fringes of the Cuba-Venezuela terrorist group.
     
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    He says while casually overlooking this bit of information from his other thread.

    Jewish ex-Argentina minister faces probe in bombing

    Carlos Vladimir Corach allegedly paid $400,000 to an auto mechanic who provided the car bomb that blew up AMIA Jewish center

    ed note–So, an Argentine Jew is said to have paid off someone to bomb the AMIA Jewish Center in Buenos Aires in 1994 for which Iran was blamed. Argentina and Iran then sign a memorandum of understanding to open the case and investigate it and Jewish groups the world over are pissing their pants in the process?

    We now know why.

    https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2...be-in-bombing/

    So Sherlock tell us why Jewish groups would not want to investigate Carlos Vladimir Corach alleged $400,000 pay off to an auto mechanic who provided the car bomb that blew up AMIA Jewish center.

    Oh and I might remind you that you nor I have seen the special prosecutor's report. So you cannot possibly verify that "it all pointed to the Kirchners and to Iranian terrorism all over the Americas."
     
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    You are dealing in a disinformation website, Poncho.

    The Kirchners were hand in glove in this. They have motive. She is anti-Semitic. She is in cahoots with Iran. She does not care how many Jews were murdered in Argentina. She wants to go to war again over the Falklands. She is nuts.

    Alberto Nisman was murdered because he uncovered with Iran had done, not only in Argentina but also all over the Americas.

    It is not just Iran, North Korea, and Russia who all now have great influence in Latin America but also the wealthy Chinese, who are buying properties at both ends of the Panama Canal at this time. For good or ill, American influence in Latin America is over.
     
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    Found the same article on other sites as well.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-...be-in-bombing/

    http://www.jta.org/2013/06/30/news-o...n-amia-bombing

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07...jewish-center/

    So I'm dealing with several websites here. Are they all disinfo sites? Again as with the "Russian invasion that never was" you have all these allegations but no solid evidence.

    I would get called a "wacky conspiracy theorist" and rightly so for accusing a person or a group or groups of a conspiracy based on personal bias, allegations, suspicions and the word of no name high ranking government officials who's agency the president wants to disband.

    Show me some solid evidence.
     
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    You are talking about the 1994 murders that were done by the Iranians.

    I am talking about the fact that the Kirchner crowd murdered their own special prosecutor, Alberto Nisman a few days ago.

    What do you find likeable in Lady Macbeth?
     
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    Why do you have to pull out the old "guilt by association" ploy when ever I ask you to show me some proof to support your allegations?

    Must we go around and around in that circle again, really?

    Show me some proof if you have it. Or stop treating allegations as facts.
     
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    Really, Poncho, there is no guilt by association in asking you what you find likeable in Lady Macbeth. Don't be paranoid. Don't make me tell Fidel that you like his doll baby.
     
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    Guilt By Association: The attempt to discredit an opponent by associating them or their argument with an undesirable idea or person.

    That's your default argument whenever I ask you to back up your allegations with evidence. Seems like by now you'd even have wonder why you'd have to keep resorting to this ploy instead of being able to pull out the evidence I asked for and plastering it all over the thread.

    And you still haven't shown me any evidence of a "Russian invasion" of Ukraine either and you've had months to find it.

    What's next I wonder are you going pull a Donald Rumsfeld and say "the lack of evidence is the evidence"? :laugh:
     
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    Pancho, the Libertarian foreign policy does not even want anyone to comment on foreign events. You need to watch Lt. Joe Kendra, homicide hunter. Nisman got a 22 bullet in the brain and Kirchner said it was suicide and then reversed herself and said that it was murder.

    We will never know her involvement until the end of time but when looking at a homicide you have to look at motive.

    And you have to look at character and at opportunity. In all cases, Kirchner is there and people in Argentina know that.

    Now in this country you, Pancho, cannot criticize Obama without being called a racists. In Latin America you cannot criticize your leader without being called dead. So Lady Macbeth walks but then that's Latin America--a pit in general.
     
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    Here we go again libertarians this libertarians that.

    Firstly.

    This . . . "Pancho, the Libertarian foreign policy does not even want anyone to comment on foreign events" is a bald faced lie and you know it.

    Secondly.

    I am not a libertarian. I agree with some things they believe. That doesn't make me a libertarian. I agree with some of the things republicans believe that does not make me a republican. I even agree with some of things democrats used to believe in that does not make me a democrat. I agree with some of what Jerome Corsi and Joseph Farrah say that does not make me a neocon.

    Thridly.

    In this country you can't criticize Israeli policies or the undue influence their lobby has in Washington without being called a racist or a traitor to the United States.

    You get that? You cannot criticize a certain foreign nation's influence on your own government without being called a traitor to your own country.

    Let me repeat that just in case you didn't get it the first time.

    You cannot criticize a certain foreign nation's influence on your own government without being called a traitor to your own country.

    In a sane world that would be considered insane.

    Fourthly.

    You live in country where the president and congress agree that it's legal for you to be arrested without charge, held indefinitely without trial or even executed on the word a secret governmental panel.

    Why? Because you let every fear mongering yahoo in Washington and the corporate media bend your ear with fanciful stories of "mushroom clouds" and imminent terrorist threats while Washington funds and arms thousands of terrorists and takes all your rights away "so the terrorists won't get you" and puts you under the microscope of an extensive and growing big brother surveillance state and makes you foot the bill for the whole thing.

    Wake up man. This country is getting more like a Latin American banana republic everyday and all you can worry about is some supposed nefarious outside threat or some scandal some president in a foreign country is embroiled in?

    Oh yeah I know it's all the democrats the democrats. Republicans are blameless in all of it and libertarians just don't understand they we have to punish and make war on every country on the planet because "we're the good guys".

    "God appointed Washington to police the whole world and tell everyone in it how to live and manage their own affairs or else, because we're all about freedom and democracy, amen."

    This would be a whole lot more pleasant for both of us if you'd either prove your case or admit you can't instead of trying to make me the bad guy for asking you to prove something you obvious can't prove.
     
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    Kirchner allowed the Iranians to murder some Jews in Argentina. She is a nazi. The attack in 1994 was described by Lou Dobbs last night as the largest terrorist attack in the Western Hemisphere before Nine Eleven. Iran has terror cells in the USA. Argentina have them a toehold twenty years ago.
     
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    I'm going to over look the fact that this is just your opinion based on your own fears and suspicions rather than the evidence I keep asking you for and cut to the chase here . . .

    What is it you would like Washington to do about it, bomb Argentina back to the stone age? Maybe invade and occupy it and divide it's population then arm one side over the over and install a Washington/Wall Street friendly government as is standard U.S. foreign policy in other parts of the world?

    Or maybe you'd like Washington to bomb Iran back to the stone age and divide it's population and arm one side over the other and install another Washington/Big Oil friendly dictator in power before any real investigation can take place?

    Your neocon fear mongering heros don't have a very good track record at winning the wars they start based on their own fears, suspicions and propaganda. They promise a "cakewalk" that would pay for itself and what do we get? Endless ever escalating wars that are bankrupting the country and turning the whole world against us.

    And all they can do is call for more more more. The neocons need to be stopped before they destroy us all.

    Oh and that's not a libertarian viewpoint it's just plain ole common sense based on real facts and evidence.
     
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    Lou Dobbs reported the same thing that I posted here. Kirchner is a nazi and there is much circumstantial evidence that she is involved in the murder of the special prosecutor Nisman. Kirchner is trying to cover up her involvement with the Iranians after their murder of so many Jews in 1994.
     
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    You are a remarkable person CMG.

    You don't seem to have any concern at all about the neo nazis trying to take over the whole of Ukraine but when it comes to Argentina it's a different story.

    I don't know what to make of that. Maybe you just prefer the nazis Washington is actively funding and arming?

    Oh and BTW speaking of Ukraine this just came in . . .

    Throughout this conflict every once in a while Ukrainian government officials have come clean about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    To the chagrin of the Obama Administration and NATO Russia has not invaded. This latest admission came twice today. Once by inference and the other a direct admission from Ukrainian Armed Forces Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Victor Muzhenko.

    During a briefing with General Muzenko he announced that “To date, we have only the involvement of some members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Russian citizens that are part of illegal armed groups involved in the fighting. We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army. We have enough forces and means in order to inflict a final defeat even with illegal armed formation present. “- he said.

    If that wasn’t embarrassing enough for the Poroshenko regime which has consistently stated Russia had invaded and that Ukraine is fighting the Russian Army, it was Petro Poroshenko’s own TV station Channel 5 news that broke the story!


    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/kiev-announces-russian-invasion-ukraine-hoax.html
     
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    Pancho, as a free market guy I don't see that you are affected by Iranian terror cells in NYC or the murder of members of a Jewish center in 1994.
     
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    Well let me put it this way CMG. I made a deal a long time ago with Jesus that if anything ever happened to me there'd be a place for me in His father's house.

    So I'm not going to let blind fear get the better of me before all the facts and evidence are in.

    You know what they say about opinions right?
     
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